"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Long Distance Relationship.... who has done this?

Alvafe

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I would love to just have fun. But at my age, 52, the women all want serious relationships.
why not? don't look like she want anything with you so why you should?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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2Rocky

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I would love to just have fun. But at my age, 52, the women all want serious relationships.
Not necessarily. I think a lot of these divorced women have their kids out of the house and are "enjoying their freedom" . Yeah they are spinning plates too....

If your woman of interest shows you some more interest, enjoy it while it lasts. If she asks "what are we?" then you tell her "When we are together, we are together. Apart we need to live our own lives accordingly."

Keep meeting people, especially women. If you find yourselves a few months down the line talking bout her moving to your area or vice versa, then it's time to have the exclusivity talk. But don't ever think you don't have options. Menopausal women can be horny as hell and just want sex, but want to be discreet about it.
 

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Thanks everyone for the advice. I’m moving on from this fiasco before it goes any further. Just trying to meet women and have fun. Forget relationships is right. If something transpires then whatever. Just trying to spin plates
 

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I need to get real here... she loves her two sons she loves very much and they are in Oklahoma City and she is very involved with them. She gave up her rental condo here is Los Angeles and has no job waiting here. She does have a "do anywhere" thing she is working on.

What are the legit chances that she moves back to LA? probably very low.... and of course the first woman in awhile to be into me and interested.
I think I know who you are dating. My mouth is shut tight.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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John9999

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Why this thread is even coming back again and again on this forum?

There's no such thing like LDR.

Sailor that is in 10y old marriage is not in LDR with his wife even if she is seeing her now for a month every 3 months.

This LDR thing always needs to be some short stage in dating - otherwise its FWB or simply nothing at all
totally agree..... it is not a relationship and I see that now. It is definitely "settling" just because the gal is interested and engaged.
focusing on spinning local plates now.
 

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I was only able to make it work once and in that case the women who became my wife moved to be with me after 3 months of us being apart.

The other long distance relationships were fun for sure. Weekend time was fun and you didnt see them during the week so it was normally great. Just hard to make them work long term unless a move to be with each other is imminent in a short time frame.

Keeping long distance friendships seems to be alot easier
 

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LDR can work if you are planning on closing the distance sooner than later.

But if your are going to see other from a distance for a long azz period of time?

Its never going to work.. Trust me boyo sooner or later she monkey branch to an option closer to her.
 

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thankyou everyone... I went dark on this gal.. no freakin way would it work. I was just being desperate and willing to settle for less than I want. Hell, honestly I do not even know if I can handle a relationship after the failures I have had with others. just gonna spin plates and have fun right now.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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She can be a plate. but if you don't think you can see her that way don't pursue it.
 

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I had 2 in my life time. One overseas and the other was in the states.
 
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