You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
And lead the forum further to it's destruction? Of course. But I'm serious. If you do not go out, you have no right to hate or criticize someone who does go out or even goes out more than you. I see too much of this sh*t on here. It's like anyone who actually approaches is hated and anyone who doesn't approach is favorited. I thought I was on a seduction forum, but I may be wrong.eaglez1177 said:? Dude plz do us all a favor and get off these forums
I suspect people get sick of a doofus who is spectacularly unsuccessful at interacting with women and still refuses advice. But I could be wrong.ElStud said:If you don't approach and you hate on the people that do. Shame on you. You know who you are.
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Yeah, cause everyone on this board knows everything. I don't think some of you guys get that just because you say something it's not true. You can talk all the crap about how I'm unsuccessful with women, but unlike you I'm approaching and improving my game everyday. I don't know what you call "success" but I call going out there constantly approaching and improving my game "successful".bigjohnson said:I suspect people get sick of a doofus who is spectacularly unsuccessful at interacting with women and still refuses advice. But I could be wrong.
Personally I'm getting laid a lot by some cute young girls. If you like wandering around malls though, more power to you. My biggest issue lately is a girl that is really stunning but who wants me to do some sort of freaky things to her.ElStud said:I don't know what you call "success" but I call going out there constantly approaching and improving my game "successful".
And while you have that one girl, I am approaching many a day. Difference between you and me is, you just want to get laid. My goals are bigger than that, I actually want to get to KNOW the girl I'm having sex with and I actually want to have FUN with the girl I'm having sex with. Genuine fun. Canned routines? If I'm gonna take you seriously, you need to stop pulling stuff out your ass.bigjohnson said:Personally I'm getting laid a lot by some cute young girls. If you like wandering around malls though, more power to you. My biggest issue lately is a girl that is really stunning but who wants me to do some sort of freaky things to her.
But maybe I should stop nailing her and go try some useless canned routines.![]()
Ya, while I'm eating steak you are free to walk around and smell food cooking at a variety of establishments. Wooooo.ElStud said:And while you have that one girl, I am approaching many a day.
I have a few (3 or 5 depending on your world view) in my life right now and you approach "many a day" AND you say you are the one getting to know them? What the hell sort of idiot thinking is that? The freaky girl and I spent 5 days together straight last month, but maybe I wasn't really 'having fun'.ElStud said:Difference between you and me is, you just want to get laid. My goals are bigger than that, I actually want to get to KNOW the girl I'm having sex with and I actually want to have FUN with the girl I'm having sex with.
How many did you close last, oh, say last YEAR? Results - remember?ElStud said:Funny you mention routines, cause that's probably what you do. What do I say "Hey" and I consistantly get girls wanting to talk to me.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Oh my lord. Im sure he knows the girl that hes have sex with due to the fact that he does so regularly. You havent even had sex so dont bring up anything about the issue. You make excuses constantly. You lose, done.ElStud said:And while you have that one girl, I am approaching many a day. Difference between you and me is, you just want to get laid. My goals are bigger than that, I actually want to get to KNOW the girl I'm having sex with and I actually want to have FUN with the girl I'm having sex with. Genuine fun. Canned routines? If I'm gonna take you seriously, you need to stop pulling stuff out your ass.
Brilliant come back...a come back of a genius. You ARENT successful, so why are you so bragadocious about approaching? Its not how you start, but how you finish, which you dont/ havent done....ever.Funny you mention routines, cause that's probably what you do. What do I say "Hey" and I consistantly get girls wanting to talk to me. But then again, words don't matter so your routines might work with your subcommunication. And f*ck if your subcommunication is good you can say damn near anything and get away with it.
His success rate is greater than yours, yet you have such an ego you have to chop him down to your level, which you failed at doing.And the other difference is, you get rejected, you probably analyze it, worry about and sh*t. I get rejected, doesn't mean sh*t to me and I move on to the next set.
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
He's incredibly unsuccessful with women (no crime there) but then he posts how-to articles and rejects well meant, badly needed and VALID advice. That's just asinine.Drewskie said:Why does everyone hate on ElStud?? I haven't seen him post anything offensive or malicious, did i miss something?
You know bigjohnson, you suck. But I don't care what you think. You don't know sh*t about my success and I probably approach more than you therefore I am in the position to write an article on approaching. All this hate you guys have is unhealthy. Why don't you just freaking go out, stop hating on the dudes who ALREADY do sh*t and shut up. I got 2 numbers and approached probably 10+ sets today bigjohnson. What did you approach to be talking so much crap?bigjohnson said:He's incredibly unsuccessful with women (no crime there) but then he posts how-to articles and rejects well meant, badly needed and VALID advice. That's just asinine.
I don't hate him but it's sad and frustrating to see someone sabotage their own life so perfectly.
You're REALLY new to the whole seduction thing aren't you? The point of "PICK UP" is to "PICK UP" random girls. Friends, internet services and sh*t are what the average everyday chode uses.i dont know everyone has their own way of meeting girls...you dont have to go up to random strangers...thats one way i like to do it but other people gain success getting introduced through friends, using internet services, etc...
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.