"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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If you don't approach and you hate on the people that do. Shame on you. You know who you are.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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eaglez1177

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? Dude plz do us all a favor and get off these forums
 

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Why does everyone hate on ElStud?? I haven't seen him post anything offensive or malicious, did i miss something?
 

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eaglez1177 said:
? Dude plz do us all a favor and get off these forums
And lead the forum further to it's destruction? Of course. But I'm serious. If you do not go out, you have no right to hate or criticize someone who does go out or even goes out more than you. I see too much of this sh*t on here. It's like anyone who actually approaches is hated and anyone who doesn't approach is favorited. I thought I was on a seduction forum, but I may be wrong.
 

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ElStud said:
If you don't approach and you hate on the people that do. Shame on you. You know who you are.
I suspect people get sick of a doofus who is spectacularly unsuccessful at interacting with women and still refuses advice. But I could be wrong.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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bigjohnson said:
I suspect people get sick of a doofus who is spectacularly unsuccessful at interacting with women and still refuses advice. But I could be wrong.
Yeah, cause everyone on this board knows everything. I don't think some of you guys get that just because you say something it's not true. You can talk all the crap about how I'm unsuccessful with women, but unlike you I'm approaching and improving my game everyday. I don't know what you call "success" but I call going out there constantly approaching and improving my game "successful".

Meanwhile, you're probably wasting your life still thinking that looks matter and are probably NOT getting consistantly laid, because you would rather put on an act for a women and get her, then have true fun with her and get her.
 

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ElStud said:
I don't know what you call "success" but I call going out there constantly approaching and improving my game "successful".
Personally I'm getting laid a lot by some cute young girls. If you like wandering around malls though, more power to you. My biggest issue lately is a girl that is really stunning but who wants me to do some sort of freaky things to her.

But maybe I should stop nailing her and go try some useless canned routines. :rolleyes:
 

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bigjohnson said:
Personally I'm getting laid a lot by some cute young girls. If you like wandering around malls though, more power to you. My biggest issue lately is a girl that is really stunning but who wants me to do some sort of freaky things to her.

But maybe I should stop nailing her and go try some useless canned routines. :rolleyes:
And while you have that one girl, I am approaching many a day. Difference between you and me is, you just want to get laid. My goals are bigger than that, I actually want to get to KNOW the girl I'm having sex with and I actually want to have FUN with the girl I'm having sex with. Genuine fun. Canned routines? If I'm gonna take you seriously, you need to stop pulling stuff out your ass.

Funny you mention routines, cause that's probably what you do. What do I say "Hey" and I consistantly get girls wanting to talk to me. But then again, words don't matter so your routines might work with your subcommunication. And f*ck if your subcommunication is good you can say damn near anything and get away with it.

And the other difference is, you get rejected, you probably analyze it, worry about and sh*t. I get rejected, doesn't mean sh*t to me and I move on to the next set.
 

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Elstud just shut the fvck up you little virgin. You go have fun "improving" your "successful" game while others on here have fun getting laid.
 

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ElStud said:
And while you have that one girl, I am approaching many a day.
Ya, while I'm eating steak you are free to walk around and smell food cooking at a variety of establishments. Wooooo.


ElStud said:
Difference between you and me is, you just want to get laid. My goals are bigger than that, I actually want to get to KNOW the girl I'm having sex with and I actually want to have FUN with the girl I'm having sex with.
I have a few (3 or 5 depending on your world view) in my life right now and you approach "many a day" AND you say you are the one getting to know them? What the hell sort of idiot thinking is that? The freaky girl and I spent 5 days together straight last month, but maybe I wasn't really 'having fun'.


ElStud said:
Funny you mention routines, cause that's probably what you do. What do I say "Hey" and I consistantly get girls wanting to talk to me.
How many did you close last, oh, say last YEAR? Results - remember?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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ElStud said:
And while you have that one girl, I am approaching many a day. Difference between you and me is, you just want to get laid. My goals are bigger than that, I actually want to get to KNOW the girl I'm having sex with and I actually want to have FUN with the girl I'm having sex with. Genuine fun. Canned routines? If I'm gonna take you seriously, you need to stop pulling stuff out your ass.
Oh my lord. Im sure he knows the girl that hes have sex with due to the fact that he does so regularly. You havent even had sex so dont bring up anything about the issue. You make excuses constantly. You lose, done.

Funny you mention routines, cause that's probably what you do. What do I say "Hey" and I consistantly get girls wanting to talk to me. But then again, words don't matter so your routines might work with your subcommunication. And f*ck if your subcommunication is good you can say damn near anything and get away with it.
Brilliant come back...a come back of a genius. You ARENT successful, so why are you so bragadocious about approaching? Its not how you start, but how you finish, which you dont/ havent done....ever.

And the other difference is, you get rejected, you probably analyze it, worry about and sh*t. I get rejected, doesn't mean sh*t to me and I move on to the next set.
His success rate is greater than yours, yet you have such an ego you have to chop him down to your level, which you failed at doing.

I dont know why you dont get that approaching 5000000000 girls in your life is such an accomplishment if your success rate is below 10% and you havent ever had sex, nor do you habitually go on dates. Youre not hot sh*t cause you can approach all the time, youre a fool cause you suck. There are other ways to get girls, but youre a fool and habitually do the samething and get the same results, or lack there of. You dont make this forum any better, you contribute nothing and you have an ego the size of f*ckin china. You move on from set to set, failing time and time again.
 

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Any topic posted on a public forum is open to all forms of critique. If you just want to read comments that feed your ego, it is better that you find a guy who is more AFC than yourself.

Dude, you don't realize, this crazy journey that we are all on, is so much bigger and intense than you see it to be.

Approaching is just a small piece in the puzzle.

Try to develop a personality. A personality which people would want to emulate. Try to see the bigger picture.

I never said anything bad about your efforts. But you get satisfied too soon. You keep doing it because you are OVER your AA and now its easy for you. Its something you can easily brag about. Stay hungry! and keep improving.
 

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everyone needs to shut the fvck up.
seriously, if anyone posts after me, i'll shove a.....wait.... i can't do anything to you cause its the fvcking internet u doofuses.
 
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the CRAZY ASIAN is right lol, if you set aside time to explain your self on a forum, then you sure have given up your power. but on the flip side, you just went hard, I can se from all points of view, i say continue doing ur thang, i cant be judgmental, shi everybody got flaws
 

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i dont know everyone has their own way of meeting girls...you dont have to go up to random strangers...thats one way i like to do it but other people gain success getting introduced through friends, using internet services, etc...
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Mods, Close this thread!

This is just another "Stating the obvious" thread.

Pointless and a waste of time.
 

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Didn't know ElStud still posted here, figured he was a troll. Anyway, good see he's back, he makes anyone seem successful with women by comparison.


Also, looking at his sig, I wonder if he's ignored over 50% of the DJ community by now?
 

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Drewskie said:
Why does everyone hate on ElStud?? I haven't seen him post anything offensive or malicious, did i miss something?
He's incredibly unsuccessful with women (no crime there) but then he posts how-to articles and rejects well meant, badly needed and VALID advice. That's just asinine.

I don't hate him but it's sad and frustrating to see someone sabotage their own life so perfectly.
 

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bigjohnson said:
He's incredibly unsuccessful with women (no crime there) but then he posts how-to articles and rejects well meant, badly needed and VALID advice. That's just asinine.

I don't hate him but it's sad and frustrating to see someone sabotage their own life so perfectly.
You know bigjohnson, you suck. But I don't care what you think. You don't know sh*t about my success and I probably approach more than you therefore I am in the position to write an article on approaching. All this hate you guys have is unhealthy. Why don't you just freaking go out, stop hating on the dudes who ALREADY do sh*t and shut up. I got 2 numbers and approached probably 10+ sets today bigjohnson. What did you approach to be talking so much crap?

i dont know everyone has their own way of meeting girls...you dont have to go up to random strangers...thats one way i like to do it but other people gain success getting introduced through friends, using internet services, etc...
You're REALLY new to the whole seduction thing aren't you? The point of "PICK UP" is to "PICK UP" random girls. Friends, internet services and sh*t are what the average everyday chode uses.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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