"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
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Just move on with your life. This will keep happening no matter what.
I was completely straightforward. I've done both before, in terms of fading away or being straightforward. It doesn't matter what you do.LeonSK said:
What matters is that you give up any hope of ever being with her. The sooner you free yourself from any specter of her, the better for you in the long run.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
TheGambino
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But dude you should make a move when youre chilling with her.
It's not so hard, kino, escalate, tease and kiss her, believe me she will go along with it if she likes you and maybe afterwards be very confused or anything like that, you remain cool.
Your job is to escalate let her think about the 'relationship' wheter she sees you as a friend or not.
If she rejects you act like it didn't affect you, stay positive and then just go ghost or keep her around to introduce you to her friends. If being only friends with her hurts you, then move on and don't look back.
This is easier said than done for beginners. I don't know if OP is just starting out, but if he is, it's better to just start with women you don't know. The psychological factor isn't there.TheGambino said:
And hopefully OP isn't like me and keeps picking girls with bfs.
Yeah, I'm just starting out, ended a long-term relationship a couple months ago.teddy said:
Gambino's idea sounds good! One more issue, she likes to drag a girlfriend of her while hanging out with me, it has happened twice. I hate it...
TheGambino
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If you just started out and been friendzoned more often, then you should indeed find new girls and learn to be sexual from the start with them. If you make moves, you'll never get friendzoned, either she's in for the bang or she gives you mixed signals (=low interest) or even a rejection(so what just move on to the next..).
LeonSK, she brings a friend with her while hanging out, that's a big red flag.. You should def move on from this one, she does that to prevent you from making escalating moves on her.
Yeah, I find that with people like me who lack experience, while what you're saying is correct, invariably me and other beginners won't be able to fully free ourselves from our mindframe and end up making the thing complicated and awkward. And because we're beginners, we just don't have a lot of plates spinning.TheGambino said:
If we're not good at this, it's probably best to cut the cord and go ghost and forget about her. That way you can develop your skills with women you have no hang ups on. If you somehow run into her years from now, then you'll be able to approach her with your new skills and, if she's available, all to your advantage.
Obviously, with more experienced people, they have a lot of plates and little to lose, so there's nothing to lose with your approach, it's the best one.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
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DonJuanit0
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What if I told you they get angry to themselves for not making it?!?teddy said:
Of course she can get turned on! She didn't make it, so you become a challenge! Obviously it will not always be the same but it can happen since you won over her tricks!