Leadership

[The Duke]

I had a recent experience with a volunteer organization that made me question the leaders ability to organize and lead the group.

Several months back I inquired about the status of the project and got no replies. A few weeks ago I got a "we are meeting with the officials that have jurisdiction."

I remained patient, and now the new acting leader of this volunteer organization is now looking for free equipment and labor. It's going to take way more than what they are requesting initially.

This is the second attempt to pull this project off. Now there is no plan. No schedule. No timeline. No work assignments. The original leader of this organization did a very good job with this but unfortunately had to step down.

So what does this have to do with women?

Every woman wants a strong leader. Direction. A man with a plan so she can feel comfortable supporting and helping him reach the goal. She needs to believe in you and what you offer.

I am not providing my time and resources to someone I don't have faith in. Neither will the woman you are trying to get with if she isn't convinced of your ability to lead.

A woman wants a guy that has his life in order, has direction, goals, focus, organization, passion, conviction, and plans, so she can feel confident and get behind him.

Until then you are just a fuhk boy if you're lucky. You won't be taken seriously for long term commitment. Get your life in order. Make something of yourself. Getting women becomes much easier when you do.

 

[Plinco]

Every woman wants a strong leader. Direction. A man with a plan so she can feel comfortable supporting and helping him reach the goal. She needs to believe in you and what you offer.

I am not providing my time and resources to someone I don't have faith in. Neither will the woman you are trying to get with if she isn't convinced of your ability to lead.

Leadership is not natural for women, and the vast, vast majority are terrible leaders. From my experience women go into these leadership roles for their ego and then end up screwing the organization, at least in the morale sense and usually more than that. With that said, we are talking about nature and nature is to be understood and overcome; as human beings, our nature is to control nature, not to be slaves to nature. Good women leaders do exists, but they are the exception because unfortunately women are so catered to that they fail to develop the character needed that leadership requires.

A woman wants a guy that has his life in order, has direction, goals, focus, organization, passion, conviction, and plans, so she can feel confident and get behind him.

That's because you are describing virtues and virtues are attractive, very simple.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Until then you are just a fuhk boy if you're lucky. You won't be taken seriously for long term commitment. Get your life in order. Make something of yourself. Getting women becomes much easier when you do.

"You gotta make the money first." - Scarface (1983)

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[DJ Novice]

I think that some women like guys who are strong leaders because it allows the woman to relax more into the feminine side of their nature.

Overly masculine women (boss babes) who love taking on the leadership role do exist (mostly at work). I don’t think this dynamic is good if she always brings that same energy home to the relationship and her partner expects her to make all the decisions, do all the work etc.

As a guy you do need to take the lead, help and make stuff happen at times. This doesn’t excuse the woman to never contribute or offer no help. Leadership is exhausting and sometimes it’s good to have someone other than you take the reins when needed.

Some semblance of leadership is important in a guy but there are other qualities that women value as much or even more.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I think that some women like guys who are strong leaders because it allows the woman to relax more into the feminine side of their nature.

Overly masculine women (boss babes) who love taking on the leadership role do exist (mostly at work). I don’t think this dynamic is good if she always brings that same energy home to the relationship and her partner expects her to make all the decisions, do all the work etc.

As a guy you do need to take the lead, help and make stuff happen at times. This doesn’t excuse the woman to never contribute or offer no help. Leadership is exhausting and sometimes it’s good to have someone other than you take the reins when needed.

Some semblance of leadership is important in a guy but there are other qualities that women value as much or even more.

Yeah, reminds one of the lyrics here

Women were expressing the yearning you describe all the way back in '96, and they still are today

 

[plumber]

leadership is the right angle. how to do it. some say, just put the man into the pool and he needs to swim or die. ok....

every single man desperately wants to be a leader and be respected. some may deny it but its just a natural male instinct.

we find some man that is having problems and then tell him, you need to learn leadership. and then we wash our hands and tell about shame on him for not doing it. at the same time we tell don't be shy, and a bunch of other don'ts. well, pretty much all the men want to be leaders and not shy, and not do all of the other don'ts.

so why does one man do it and another does not. why.....

OP, your right, women and men love men that show leadership and can really lead. it doesn't get better than that.

its not a trick question, this is a reason....

 

[Mike32ct]

Women certainly want a guy that can lead the relationship and also be in charge of his life.

At work or in business, I don’t think every guy is cut out for a leadership role (eg manager) or to run a business.

Some guys are really good at a particular skill set, but they actually NEED a boss to run things so they can focus exclusively on their area of expertise. As “beta” as that might sound, there’s no shame in that. It’s about working with your strengths.

 

[tesla8520]

Every woman wants a strong leader

 

[Sega Genesis]

I think that some women like guys who are strong leaders because it allows the woman to relax more into the feminine side of their nature.

^^Yes, this. Yin/yang, masculine/feminine polarity.

Once safety and trust have been established, it becomes more balanced however the man is still the predominant force/leader without becoming a Tyrant. @Clockwerk50 recently posted about this (the Tyrant).

Some women. There are also some women who prefer the leadership role in the relationship and that's fine as long as her partner prefers taking the "follower" role. One of my brothers has a marriage like this. My SIL runs the show and my brother is happy to follow.

Their respective natures should 'complement' each other, that's the important thing imo. Every couple's dynamic is different.

They should both be making effort regardless of who's leading that's not what this is about.

I dunno maybe @BeExcellent could chime in, she could probably explain it better than I could at least at the moment. She has posted about this many times previously specifically with respect to a man being the strong masculine leader.

 

[Divorced w 3]

Thanks for the lesson Uncle Duke

 

[Bokanovsky]

So what does this have to do with women?

Every woman wants a strong leader. Direction. A man with a plan so she can feel comfortable supporting and helping him reach the goal. She needs to believe in you and what you offer.

Not just women. Most men want to be led too. Not many can or even want to be leaders. I mean, look at the number of workers compared to the number of entrepreneurs. Or the number of men who play sports on a competitive level compared to the number of men who watch sports in arenas and on TV (nothing is more beta that being a"sports fan", but that is a subject for a different conversation).

Until then you are just a fuhk boy if you're lucky. You won't be taken seriously for long term commitment. Get your life in order. Make something of yourself. Getting women becomes much easier when you do.

Getting your life in order does not automatically make you a leader. You could have a good job, be financially successful, etc. and still be a sheep.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Lolz @The Duke acting like the Titanic isn't sinking. To lead, you must have vision, and with that comes the rational observance that the world is going to sh1t, and responding accordingly. Which may involve a lesser degree of societally-approved conformity than previously promulgated. OP is acting like we're securely in 19th century East Coast society when we're headed towards the 19th century Wild West. To what degree were the movie characters John Wayne played guided by long-term thinking?

 

[tesla8520]

Not just women. Most men want to be led too. Not many can or even want to be leaders. I mean, look at the number of workers compared to the number of entrepreneurs.

It's actually a man job to understand what leadership role he have. (What's the ideal test)?

But that actually means that if you want to be led by a woman, you'll have to eat so many sh1t and disrespect.

 

[BeExcellent]

Must have missed the original page a year ago, lol....

Agree with OP on this wholeheartedly. If you men want to be respected out there you must become good leaders. Lead what, exactly? Your own life for starters.

Have goals, a plan to get there, something you aim to accomplish, and get about doing it. Doing this will give your life direction and meaning....something someone else can understand and follow. This entails organization and discipline of self ahead of anyone else.

If you have children you must as a father teach your kids character and leadership skills. And the teaching is not always pretty. None of us are special snowflakes and no the world doesn't care about you....but the world will pay attention to the outcomes you achieve. It is your outcomes that seperate the invisible people from the visible people. Think about that. Good outcomes start in school, with good grades, with how you interact with & influence others, with respect of self and others, and with a value system and boundaries.

Leadership is learned. Hopefully in the home, but not always. It can be learned outside the home (military, work, self reading etc,) but it comes later and takes longer to take hold if not learned at home.

Women have in-built radar seeking leadership in a man. Why? She must depend on him biologically to be able to take care of her when she is vulnerable during pregnancy and childbirth and childrearing. She must trust his abilities when she cannot rely on her own. It is an instinctual thing that modern society has not washed away. And even though women can be self sufficient financially etc., that instinct remains and there is comfort (and yes this is why she can relax into being in her feminine essence when the man's nature AFFORDS her the ability to do so.)

This dynamic creates the best marriages and relationships, where each gender knows and embraces their complimentary role.

But too few men are developing leadership traits and to many women are stepping into that gap out of necessity.

That is destructive to society....and by design, fyi.

 

[DonJefe19]

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But too few men are developing leadership traits and to many women are stepping into that gap out of necessity.

That is destructive to society....and by design, fyi.

I agree. The problem becomes that capable women don't last very long being in a leadership position where capable men can endure. But, with the current cultural marxism that's mainstream in society, it's by far becoming taboo for men to be leaders.

 

[tesla8520]

with how you interact with & influence others, with respect of self and others, and with a value system and boundaries.

We were discussing exactly this in another post.
The fact that the world operates on "amoral" laws, yet we strive to be "moral" to achieve our goals, even though we know there are those who get ahead without values and still get what they want.

Women have in-built radar seeking leadership in a man. Why? She must depend on him biologically to be able to take care of her when she is vulnerable during pregnancy and childbirth and childrearing.

That’s common knowledge, but who knows how that works in the mind of someone with BPD.

But too few men are developing leadership traits and to many women are stepping into that gap out of necessity.

Actually, I’d say there are too many men out there who are mistaken for leaders, displaying "toxic leadership", and whom women marry, while the guy with morals and values is overlooked by most. In a world like ours, amorality always triumphs over morality, and women gravitate toward the winners, not the losers.

I like to write short poems, and it made me write something like:
Look.
Look and heed.
In a world such as ours, amorality always wins.
Morality promises no victory.
It is simply the right path
men walk when great things are to be done.

it's by far becoming taboo for men to be leaders.

Women want leaders, but society tells them they should be the ones.
Argument your thought about this @DonJefe19