She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.
You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.
The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
This is not really a method. This is just a description of the guy we should strive to be. It's not lazy, it's just being natural, not thirsty.Does this work for you guys?
Common sense.plz, I dont have 25 min. Can you summarise?
Precisely, this is the biggest difference with the way this guy proposes to do. Does it also work for you, Monkey King?The one thing is he says, that I am on board with and many aren't, is giving your number instead of taking numbers. The illusion of giving them the power.
Yes. A lot. I'd say I usually give my number.Precisely, this is the biggest difference with the way this guy proposes to do. Does it also work for you, Monkey King?
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Remember that you are giving the woman value if you have to CONSCIOUSLY act these acts. It has to happen unconsciously, otherwise if you do it consciously then you are just pretending something you are not and it will backfire sooner or later.This is not really a method. This is just a description of the guy we should strive to be. It's not lazy, it's just being natural, not thirsty.
Common sense.
-Take girls off the pedestal, don't over-complicate conversation, don't chase, be natural not pushy. Nothing too ground breaking.
The one thing is he says, that I am on board with and many aren't, is giving your number instead of taking numbers. The illusion of giving them the power.
This is very interesting. Counter intuitive to what most guys are doing now (collecting numbers) but if it works, it works.Yes. A lot. I'd say I usually give my number.
I've been saying it for a long time. Among others, I see two primary benefits to giving your number instead of taking numbers:This is very interesting. Counter intuitive to what most guys are doing now (collecting numbers) but if it works, it works.
Something I realized from my situation last night is that you have to be willing to go against everything that you are "supposed" to do at times and be fluid when situations call for it...led to a first date lay by me meeting up with a chick last night kind of impromptu...instead of overthinking things and maintaining frame and all this other stuff, I simply went with my instinct that it was a chance to get laid and I took it.This is not really a method. This is just a description of the guy we should strive to be. It's not lazy, it's just being natural, not thirsty.
Common sense.
-Take girls off the pedestal, don't over-complicate conversation, don't chase, be natural not pushy. Nothing too ground breaking.
The one thing is he says, that I am on board with and many aren't, is giving your number instead of taking numbers. The illusion of giving them the power.
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
I'll definitely try it out. I plan to do some day game and night club approach and this thread gave some ideas to experiment with. Expect some FRs coming soon.Why don't we make a thread reverse game and test it out , see what results we get ?
Couldn't agree more. It's good to stick to some hard and fast theory to start with in order to build up confidence and to see what works and what doesn't. Over time though it becomes more of a state of mind, like a second nature."rules" are not meant to always be hard and strict but merely guidelines
I don't believe in pretending to be something you're not, nor changing who you are to fit someone's expectation. That's precisely what orbiters do - hanging round with a girl, under the pretense of being 'friends', expecting to get laid.Remember that you are giving the woman value if you have to CONSCIOUSLY act these acts. It has to happen unconsciously, otherwise if you do it consciously then you are just pretending something you are not and it will backfire sooner or later.
You are just doing the opposite, the other side of the coin. But you are still DOING the same thing as beta orbiters do.Couldn't agree more. It's good to stick to some hard and fast theory to start with in order to build up confidence and to see what works and what doesn't. Over time though it becomes more of a state of mind, like a second nature.
I don't believe in pretending to be something you're not, nor changing who you are to fit someone's expectation. That's precisely what orbiters do - hanging round with a girl, under the pretense of being 'friends', expecting to get laid.
We do have to change our behaviours. I don't see that as pretending, but learning.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Well, technically not. If I was doing the same thing orbiters do, I'd not be getting laid.But you are still DOING the same thing as beta orbiters do.
Yes, to be honest. You are simply hiding your beta side by CONSCIOUSLY acting alpha.Well, technically not. If I was doing the same thing orbiters do, I'd not be getting laid.
I think what you mean is that I alter myself or my behaviour to achieve what I want; as do beta orbiters. The difference being that my behaviours serve me primarily, and my attractiveness to females secondarily. Whereas orbiters and providers serve only the needs of females, assuming it will get them laid.
Mate competition and reproductive strategy is observed through out nature, so I'm not sure what other theory you have. But I would genuinely be interested to hear.
This is why at the top of the thread I say that the behaviours and philosophies need to go beyond a conscious act and become subconscious aspirations. You're not 'hiding a beta' any more; you a being an alpha.Yes, to be honest. You are simply hiding your beta side by CONSCIOUSLY acting alpha.
People turn from nice to jerk, from jerk to nice, but they never find the middle path, the balance.
I am not for beta nor alpha. I am for super-alpha.
To me a super alpha is in one term: spontaneous.This is why at the top of the thread I say that the behaviours and philosophies need to go beyond a conscious act and become subconscious aspirations. You're not 'hiding a beta' any more; you a being an alpha.
Here's Heartiste's defnition of SuperAlpha; what's yours?
Super Alpha
Average VAS of women = 9,10
# of women = Limitless
Multiple long and short term relationships, flings,
and one night stands; orgies;
crazed stalker love; women
willing to do anal at hello;
maintains de facto harem;
never cheated on, never dumped;
hires contraceptive assistant to
make sure his condoms don’t
have holes punched in them
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.