Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
This is not really a method. This is just a description of the guy we should strive to be. It's not lazy, it's just being natural, not thirsty.Does this work for you guys?
Common sense.plz, I dont have 25 min. Can you summarise?
Precisely, this is the biggest difference with the way this guy proposes to do. Does it also work for you, Monkey King?The one thing is he says, that I am on board with and many aren't, is giving your number instead of taking numbers. The illusion of giving them the power.
Yes. A lot. I'd say I usually give my number.Precisely, this is the biggest difference with the way this guy proposes to do. Does it also work for you, Monkey King?
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
Remember that you are giving the woman value if you have to CONSCIOUSLY act these acts. It has to happen unconsciously, otherwise if you do it consciously then you are just pretending something you are not and it will backfire sooner or later.This is not really a method. This is just a description of the guy we should strive to be. It's not lazy, it's just being natural, not thirsty.
Common sense.
-Take girls off the pedestal, don't over-complicate conversation, don't chase, be natural not pushy. Nothing too ground breaking.
The one thing is he says, that I am on board with and many aren't, is giving your number instead of taking numbers. The illusion of giving them the power.
This is very interesting. Counter intuitive to what most guys are doing now (collecting numbers) but if it works, it works.Yes. A lot. I'd say I usually give my number.
I've been saying it for a long time. Among others, I see two primary benefits to giving your number instead of taking numbers:This is very interesting. Counter intuitive to what most guys are doing now (collecting numbers) but if it works, it works.
Something I realized from my situation last night is that you have to be willing to go against everything that you are "supposed" to do at times and be fluid when situations call for it...led to a first date lay by me meeting up with a chick last night kind of impromptu...instead of overthinking things and maintaining frame and all this other stuff, I simply went with my instinct that it was a chance to get laid and I took it.This is not really a method. This is just a description of the guy we should strive to be. It's not lazy, it's just being natural, not thirsty.
Common sense.
-Take girls off the pedestal, don't over-complicate conversation, don't chase, be natural not pushy. Nothing too ground breaking.
The one thing is he says, that I am on board with and many aren't, is giving your number instead of taking numbers. The illusion of giving them the power.
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
I'll definitely try it out. I plan to do some day game and night club approach and this thread gave some ideas to experiment with. Expect some FRs coming soon.Why don't we make a thread reverse game and test it out , see what results we get ?
Couldn't agree more. It's good to stick to some hard and fast theory to start with in order to build up confidence and to see what works and what doesn't. Over time though it becomes more of a state of mind, like a second nature."rules" are not meant to always be hard and strict but merely guidelines
I don't believe in pretending to be something you're not, nor changing who you are to fit someone's expectation. That's precisely what orbiters do - hanging round with a girl, under the pretense of being 'friends', expecting to get laid.Remember that you are giving the woman value if you have to CONSCIOUSLY act these acts. It has to happen unconsciously, otherwise if you do it consciously then you are just pretending something you are not and it will backfire sooner or later.
You are just doing the opposite, the other side of the coin. But you are still DOING the same thing as beta orbiters do.Couldn't agree more. It's good to stick to some hard and fast theory to start with in order to build up confidence and to see what works and what doesn't. Over time though it becomes more of a state of mind, like a second nature.
I don't believe in pretending to be something you're not, nor changing who you are to fit someone's expectation. That's precisely what orbiters do - hanging round with a girl, under the pretense of being 'friends', expecting to get laid.
We do have to change our behaviours. I don't see that as pretending, but learning.
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Well, technically not. If I was doing the same thing orbiters do, I'd not be getting laid.But you are still DOING the same thing as beta orbiters do.
Yes, to be honest. You are simply hiding your beta side by CONSCIOUSLY acting alpha.Well, technically not. If I was doing the same thing orbiters do, I'd not be getting laid.
I think what you mean is that I alter myself or my behaviour to achieve what I want; as do beta orbiters. The difference being that my behaviours serve me primarily, and my attractiveness to females secondarily. Whereas orbiters and providers serve only the needs of females, assuming it will get them laid.
Mate competition and reproductive strategy is observed through out nature, so I'm not sure what other theory you have. But I would genuinely be interested to hear.
This is why at the top of the thread I say that the behaviours and philosophies need to go beyond a conscious act and become subconscious aspirations. You're not 'hiding a beta' any more; you a being an alpha.Yes, to be honest. You are simply hiding your beta side by CONSCIOUSLY acting alpha.
People turn from nice to jerk, from jerk to nice, but they never find the middle path, the balance.
I am not for beta nor alpha. I am for super-alpha.
To me a super alpha is in one term: spontaneous.This is why at the top of the thread I say that the behaviours and philosophies need to go beyond a conscious act and become subconscious aspirations. You're not 'hiding a beta' any more; you a being an alpha.
Here's Heartiste's defnition of SuperAlpha; what's yours?
Super Alpha
Average VAS of women = 9,10
# of women = Limitless
Multiple long and short term relationships, flings,
and one night stands; orgies;
crazed stalker love; women
willing to do anal at hello;
maintains de facto harem;
never cheated on, never dumped;
hires contraceptive assistant to
make sure his condoms don’t
have holes punched in them
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.