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Kiss (dry or wet?)

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I want your opinion on this. I have a hole in this area of my game. I know someone who often kisses a girl on the cheek after getting her number and closing with her. Now I am wondering if this is a good move and whether you have done it yourself. I personally have mainly given a good affectionate hug (without the cheek kiss). I am wondering should you give her a dry kiss or a wet kiss? Whats your experience on this one.
 

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dude...thats weird. I wouldn't try and kiss somebody I just met, cheek or anything. Probably freaks the chicks out.
 

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I did last night after meeting this girl for the first time, it was cool. Alcohol induced though. She loved it! Lot's of potential hook-up next time i see her.
 

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My friend always kisses a girls cheek when he meets them... Its the way latin people greet eachother... i dunno if it would work with another nationality dunno.
 

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You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

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Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I would most definatly go for the kiss on the cheek, dry, and short. Why? Because it is who I am.

Payne
 

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That question is a little incomplete... what's the situations where you are asking the number? what kind of vibe?

If I'm at the bar, and talking to a girl and there's a good vibe I'll ususally say 'give me your number so if I lose you later that we can still talk'.

I ususally save a kiss to find out if it's a waste of time quick. A girl will give her number before kissing, but if she gives your number and then kisses you back well that's good.

Last is the kiss test : Where you kiss the girl open mouth, but pull back just a bit too soon. The test is 3 way.
- She pulls away from the kiss = chuck the number she's not all that interested
- she kisses back = you're in, but on a short rope... don't fvck up
- She kisses back and moves in when you pull away = Done! I usually think to myself "you might as well get naked and bend over now, cause you'll just do it later."
 

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ValleyDJing said:
dude...thats weird. I wouldn't try and kiss somebody I just met, cheek or anything. Probably freaks the chicks out.
Yeah can see why you'd think that but actually it's the done thing in the social circles I move in. Think The O.C. but in Britain.
 

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Damn dudes, are you guys for real???

I've shagged girls within 15 min of meeting, I mean I'd go to bars and often end up making out with 3-4 girls and leaving with one and 6-7 numbers.

Hell, a good buddy of mine I dunt know how many times he's met girls that drag him to a secluded area within minutes of meeting.

I met a girl at the bar recently and the next day when I show up at her house she answered the door in a towel... nuff said. It happens, stop limiting yourselves.
 

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Ripper said:
Yeah can see why you'd think that but actually it's the done thing in the social circles I move in. Think The O.C. but in Britain.
Well Britain's different. Cause thats just the culture around there right? Here in the U.S. kissing is I guess, alot more forward?
 

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Freddy1 said:
I want your opinion on this. I have a hole in this area of my game. I know someone who often kisses a girl on the cheek after getting her number and closing with her. Now I am wondering if this is a good move and whether you have done it yourself. I personally have mainly given a good affectionate hug (without the cheek kiss). I am wondering should you give her a dry kiss or a wet kiss? Whats your experience on this one.
grab her, and just lick her face. :eek:

I go for the flirty contact on the first date. But not the kiss. Personally, it first took me forever to go for the kiss first, but I was a lot different back then.
 

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ValleyDJing said:
Well Britain's different. Cause thats just the culture around there right? Here in the U.S. kissing is I guess, alot more forward?
:confused: I've always found it the other way around. In the US its fairly normal to get a number and no kiss when on a night out. In England, that would be pretty odd. Usual way it works is meet girl, bit of a chat, make out, get number. Sometimes it goes from there to ONS much like in the states.
 

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vorbis said:
:confused: I've always found it the other way around. In the US its fairly normal to get a number and no kiss when on a night out. In England, that would be pretty odd. Usual way it works is meet girl, bit of a chat, make out, get number. Sometimes it goes from there to ONS much like in the states.
I just meant like, in England kissing is like a handshake in the U.S. Its a greeting.
 
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