"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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It is probably heading towards divorce

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I hate to type this up.

I made a mistake when I married this woman that I am currently with. What considerations should I take into account?
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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I hate to type this up.

I made a mistake when I married this woman that I am currently with. What considerations should I take into account?
1. Talk to a lawyer ASAP. Understand what the financial and custody (if you have children) implications are going to be.
2. Try to settle without litigation if you can. Litigation is extremely expensive.
3. Assess the risk of her making false assault/sexual assault allegations. If the there is a real possibility, think about how you are going to protect yourself (i.e move out ASAP).
 

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1. Talk to a lawyer ASAP. Understand what the financial and custody (if you have children) implications are going to be.
2. Try to settle without litigation if you can. Litigation is extremely expensive.
3. Assess the risk of her making false assault/sexual assault allegations. If the there is a real possibility, think about how you are going to protect yourself (i.e move out ASAP).
The marriage is about a year and a half, and there are no children. I don't think it should be too bad. I'm in Florida, and from what I've been reading it is nothing as bad as California.
 

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The marriage is about a year and a half, and there are no children. I don't think it should be too bad. I'm in Florida, and from what I've been reading it is nothing as bad as California.
I don't know anything about Florida specifically but the short length of the marriage and lack of children should minimize your costs. Did she say that she wants a divorce or are you planning to tell her?
 

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if not already, when you tell her she will go for advice to someone. much depends on that person.

suggest you have all the paperwork ready and planned out with the attorney's help. if she can go sign the same day you tell her do it. the length of time between when you tell her and she sign your risk goes up.

it is cheaper to give her some assets now instead of any long-term setup.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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I don't know anything about Florida specifically but the short length of the marriage and lack of children should minimize your costs. Did she say that she wants a divorce or are you planning to tell her?
It's my idea, and I have not told her yet.
 

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The marriage is about a year and a half, and there are no children
That makes it a lot easier. If you don't have any assets to split I would suggest trying to file it yourself with the court if things end in a somewhat friendly manner. It will be a lot cheaper that way. As soon as lawyers are involved they can see what is in your bank account so they know how much they can get away with.
 

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As a toad who already went through this, I can tell you, file first. You want to file first since you want to be in control of the process. If you are absolutely 100% sure, file Monday. Get your docs in order and anything that you purchased while married to the female will be up for grabs; or you have the option of buying her share out. Great system, eh?
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Been through it. Not fun.

Are any of the issues fixable?

I'll go against the grain about needing a lawyer. Maybe you do maybe you don't.

How much assets do you have?
1.5 years marriage? I can't imagine alimony in your state would be a factor after that short of a marriage.

I went through mediation and it was much cheaper. I went through divorce with a reasonable woman. We had net worth of 1M that we split right down the middle. 9 years of marriage.

Just my experience.
 

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Been through it. Not fun.

Are any of the issues fixable?

I'll go against the grain about needing a lawyer. Maybe you do maybe you don't.

How much assets do you have?
1.5 years marriage? I can't imagine alimony in your state would be a factor after that short of a marriage.

I went through mediation and it was much cheaper. I went through divorce with a reasonable woman. We had net worth of 1M that we split right down the middle. 9 years of marriage.

Just my experience.
Did you both earn the million dollars, or just you? No pre-nup?
 

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Did you both earn the million dollars, or just you? No pre-nup?
No prenup.

But we married young and had a net worth of pretty close to $0 at the time of marriage.

We both earned the million dollars, pretty evenly.

Side note about the prenup. If I marry again (it would not be to a Western woman!), I would most definitely get a prenup now that I have significant assets.

Just my experience. I actually was the one who f**ed up my marriage btw. Live and learn!
 

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No prenup.

But we married young and had a net worth of pretty close to $0 at the time of marriage.

We both earned the million dollars, pretty evenly.

Side note about the prenup. If I marry again (it would not be to a Western woman!), I would most definitely get a prenup now that I have significant assets.

Just my experience. I actually was the one who f**ed up my marriage btw. Live and learn!
Advice from friend who lived and learned, prenups often do not hold up in court under certain circumstances, if there was a circumstance of you threatening to not marry her without the prenup the judge may not Honor said prenup, may be other circumstances that's just the one buddy told me about
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Advice from friend who lived and learned, prenups often do not hold up in court under certain circumstances, if there was a circumstance of you threatening to not marry her without the prenup the judge may not Honor said prenup, may be other circumstances that's just the one buddy told me about
Yeah I've read a little about this and heard similar things. I have some concerns there too. I think the thing is you have to find a way to clearly show these were solely my assets prior to marriage and never comingle new money post marriage. So if you divorce, you only lose half of everything post marriage..
 

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No prenup.

But we married young and had a net worth of pretty close to $0 at the time of marriage.

We both earned the million dollars, pretty evenly.

Side note about the prenup. If I marry again (it would not be to a Western woman!), I would most definitely get a prenup now that I have significant assets.

Just my experience. I actually was the one who f**ed up my marriage btw. Live and learn!
That's cool. If both earned the dough, then it should be more fairly split. However, even before the pre-nup, you need to insist on a cohabitation agreement; especially if you own the property.
 

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Mine was a special case of stupid:
Don't be so hard on yourself. Look on the bright side, at least you didn't have multiple kids with her and you identified the problem pretty quickly. They say 50% of marriages end in divorce and another good percentage remain married/unhappy because they don't have the balls to stand up for themselves.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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