"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I hate to type this up.

I made a mistake when I married this woman that I am currently with. What considerations should I take into account?
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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I hate to type this up.

I made a mistake when I married this woman that I am currently with. What considerations should I take into account?
1. Talk to a lawyer ASAP. Understand what the financial and custody (if you have children) implications are going to be.
2. Try to settle without litigation if you can. Litigation is extremely expensive.
3. Assess the risk of her making false assault/sexual assault allegations. If the there is a real possibility, think about how you are going to protect yourself (i.e move out ASAP).
 

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1. Talk to a lawyer ASAP. Understand what the financial and custody (if you have children) implications are going to be.
2. Try to settle without litigation if you can. Litigation is extremely expensive.
3. Assess the risk of her making false assault/sexual assault allegations. If the there is a real possibility, think about how you are going to protect yourself (i.e move out ASAP).
The marriage is about a year and a half, and there are no children. I don't think it should be too bad. I'm in Florida, and from what I've been reading it is nothing as bad as California.
 

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The marriage is about a year and a half, and there are no children. I don't think it should be too bad. I'm in Florida, and from what I've been reading it is nothing as bad as California.
I don't know anything about Florida specifically but the short length of the marriage and lack of children should minimize your costs. Did she say that she wants a divorce or are you planning to tell her?
 

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if not already, when you tell her she will go for advice to someone. much depends on that person.

suggest you have all the paperwork ready and planned out with the attorney's help. if she can go sign the same day you tell her do it. the length of time between when you tell her and she sign your risk goes up.

it is cheaper to give her some assets now instead of any long-term setup.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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I don't know anything about Florida specifically but the short length of the marriage and lack of children should minimize your costs. Did she say that she wants a divorce or are you planning to tell her?
It's my idea, and I have not told her yet.
 

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The marriage is about a year and a half, and there are no children
That makes it a lot easier. If you don't have any assets to split I would suggest trying to file it yourself with the court if things end in a somewhat friendly manner. It will be a lot cheaper that way. As soon as lawyers are involved they can see what is in your bank account so they know how much they can get away with.
 

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As a toad who already went through this, I can tell you, file first. You want to file first since you want to be in control of the process. If you are absolutely 100% sure, file Monday. Get your docs in order and anything that you purchased while married to the female will be up for grabs; or you have the option of buying her share out. Great system, eh?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Been through it. Not fun.

Are any of the issues fixable?

I'll go against the grain about needing a lawyer. Maybe you do maybe you don't.

How much assets do you have?
1.5 years marriage? I can't imagine alimony in your state would be a factor after that short of a marriage.

I went through mediation and it was much cheaper. I went through divorce with a reasonable woman. We had net worth of 1M that we split right down the middle. 9 years of marriage.

Just my experience.
 

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Been through it. Not fun.

Are any of the issues fixable?

I'll go against the grain about needing a lawyer. Maybe you do maybe you don't.

How much assets do you have?
1.5 years marriage? I can't imagine alimony in your state would be a factor after that short of a marriage.

I went through mediation and it was much cheaper. I went through divorce with a reasonable woman. We had net worth of 1M that we split right down the middle. 9 years of marriage.

Just my experience.
Did you both earn the million dollars, or just you? No pre-nup?
 

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Did you both earn the million dollars, or just you? No pre-nup?
No prenup.

But we married young and had a net worth of pretty close to $0 at the time of marriage.

We both earned the million dollars, pretty evenly.

Side note about the prenup. If I marry again (it would not be to a Western woman!), I would most definitely get a prenup now that I have significant assets.

Just my experience. I actually was the one who f**ed up my marriage btw. Live and learn!
 

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No prenup.

But we married young and had a net worth of pretty close to $0 at the time of marriage.

We both earned the million dollars, pretty evenly.

Side note about the prenup. If I marry again (it would not be to a Western woman!), I would most definitely get a prenup now that I have significant assets.

Just my experience. I actually was the one who f**ed up my marriage btw. Live and learn!
Advice from friend who lived and learned, prenups often do not hold up in court under certain circumstances, if there was a circumstance of you threatening to not marry her without the prenup the judge may not Honor said prenup, may be other circumstances that's just the one buddy told me about
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Advice from friend who lived and learned, prenups often do not hold up in court under certain circumstances, if there was a circumstance of you threatening to not marry her without the prenup the judge may not Honor said prenup, may be other circumstances that's just the one buddy told me about
Yeah I've read a little about this and heard similar things. I have some concerns there too. I think the thing is you have to find a way to clearly show these were solely my assets prior to marriage and never comingle new money post marriage. So if you divorce, you only lose half of everything post marriage..
 

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No prenup.

But we married young and had a net worth of pretty close to $0 at the time of marriage.

We both earned the million dollars, pretty evenly.

Side note about the prenup. If I marry again (it would not be to a Western woman!), I would most definitely get a prenup now that I have significant assets.

Just my experience. I actually was the one who f**ed up my marriage btw. Live and learn!
That's cool. If both earned the dough, then it should be more fairly split. However, even before the pre-nup, you need to insist on a cohabitation agreement; especially if you own the property.
 

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Mine was a special case of stupid:
Don't be so hard on yourself. Look on the bright side, at least you didn't have multiple kids with her and you identified the problem pretty quickly. They say 50% of marriages end in divorce and another good percentage remain married/unhappy because they don't have the balls to stand up for themselves.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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