You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Any time I'm faced with this it feels impossible. Those following my other thread will see I'm dealing with that now myself. But now I know from experience that if I can stick it out, the result may or may not be what I'd originally intended, but either way there's an overwhelming feeling of having my dignity in tact. And that's a high that I can usually use to propel me to a new plate.samspade said:The better response: Back off twice as hard. Go ghost. She texts/calls, don't answer. Let it simmer. Go open some new girls.
I know, sounds easy, but if you do instead of think, in this case it'll make you feel better.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
What happened with the girl?noheroes said:I think if you ghost a girl like that and forget about her, it's actually much easier to reset and start over again down the line. I've done this a couple times - girl has gotten distant, so I next her and then down the line she's all about me again when we happen to meet.
One girl told me I was the most attractive man she'd ever been with, and proceeded to f*ck me after ten months in the cooler. I had hard ghosted her and started bringing other girls into her work (a bar I love). I was friendly but never flirty, and she came around. The trick was not caring at all.
Girls are like cats - they don't have a long term memory for a lot of things. As long as you stay Alpha and move on, it's possible to restart the interaction in the future. The key is ACTUALLY moving on.
Should have come to bible study OP.Pook said:"Judge by actions, not by words."
Well said. Dignity. You want her to come back around? Maintain that. You start calling the shots. She flaked? Unacceptable, next her. Then, she texts you a week later....TheCWord said:if I can stick it out, the result may or may not be what I'd originally intended, but either way there's an overwhelming feeling of having my dignity in tact.
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
To make me next her in the first place? She was flirty with another guy in front of me, when I'd specifically come to her bar with the intention of taking her home after her shift (and had made that clear). I'm don't expect monogamy when I'm not willing to give it, but I don't cross wires and I expect the same of my plates. I was friendly and unreactive when I saw her, but basically friendzoned her until she invited me to dinner a month or so ago, paid for it, and then f*cked me a couple days later.TheCWord said:What happened with the girl?
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
you shouldn't care, you give her a chance to be with you she didn't take it, so its her loss.t510 said:Any other thoughts?