"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Is kneeling down to propose beta/afc like or not?

st_99

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Whats the consensus on that?

imo not really, but was wondering as i was talking to a friend about that topic..
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Just don't drop down on both knees.
 

st_99

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bmxcetera said:
Just don't drop down on both knees.
lol, i never thought about that, but yes! that would certainly be really bad body language.
 

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I am not a fan of generalizing.

If it's done in a cheeky way, it will not be an AFC move at all.

I have known many tough guys who wouldn't kneel down for proposing but rather they prefer "bending over" in an emotional sense, in their marriages.

Don't worry too much about these, don't miss the Forest for the trees.
 

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this is the moment that women dream about when they are 10 years old combing barbie's hair with their girlfriends. they've dreamed about the day thousands of times in their head.

give it to them the right way. let them have their day.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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One of the most alpha proposal scenes I've seen in a movie (can't remember which one, just caught it on TV one night): post-coitus, after banging his woman's brain out, as he was laying on top of her, he reached to the night stand, pulled the ring out and said "marry me". None of this kneeling beta sh1t.
 

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I don't like the idea of kneeling to propose. Backbreaker makes a good point but I can't sort of get past the idea that kneeling to propose is almost akin to begging.
 

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When you kneel with a request you convey supplication and pleading.

My advice is not to do it. It won't have any bearing on her answer.
 

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getting married itself is one of the biggest chump moves a man can make

but hey if you want to be a chump might as well do it on your knees :nervous:

cause you can propose out of a convertible ferrari but it is still a chump move :rock:
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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I'd do it, but I'd make a crack WRT the knees that you're teaching by example!

Really, if you're putting a ring on the finger, you've already decided on the traditional path.
What could a proper formal proposal hurt?

Just, when you write your own vows (not those of the church), that's maybe where you can sneak in a couple unspoken of boundaries!

SH
 

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Depends, is she giving you a traditional honeymoon? Is she legitimately wearing white to symbolize her chasteness?

If the answer is YES then kneel away. If the answer is NO you by all rights probably should be beaten to a bloody pulp, tarred and feathered, paraded around town and publicly shamed.

Tradition disappeared when carouselling became a national pastime.
 

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SecondHalf said:
Really, if you're putting a ring on the finger, you've already decided on the traditional path.
That is about as traditional as the ring costing you 3 months salary (i.e a modern invention by our friends the big corporations).
 

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Dear St,
Might as well offer your head on a platter!
 

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Jitterbug said:
That is about as traditional as the ring costing you 3 months salary (i.e a modern invention by our friends the big corporations).
De Beers specifically.

I do agree with what Jitterbug mentioned that was not the topic, but if you've not bought it ...
A bigger diamond will not get you a better deal.
It's going to end the same way regardless if it's a 2 carat diamond or less than a carat.

SH
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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( . )( . ) said:
Depends, is she giving you a traditional honeymoon? Is she legitimately wearing white to symbolize her chasteness?

If the answer is YES then kneel away. If the answer is NO you by all rights probably should be beaten to a bloody pulp, tarred and feathered, paraded around town and publicly shamed.

Tradition disappeared when carouselling became a national pastime.
^

Golden, Mr. Tits.

I realize even more these days that feminism sh!ts on all traditional values women used to bring along into a marriage, all the while expecting men to be as chivalrous as they can be.
 

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the modern wedding is now all about show, peacocking, its 'her big day', The guy is the walk on part.
if you cant propose to a woman over a big mac and expect her to say yes and be right with you and alongside you for the whole trip, no fcking way you bow the knee.
I proposed to my ex wife after banging her on the living room floor, later bought her a washing machine instead of an engagement ring (her choice).
The big brash modern wedding is taking the pedestal to the Nth degree, you pay big bucks before the marriage and after the divorce, good luck with that trip
 

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I dont get it, or maybe I dont wanna get it.

You are overcomplicating your life for no apparent gain and handling all the power to her, and while asking it you also have to adopt a supplicant position?

I realize most of you guys would love to have that romance in your life, but the world which created such tradition is dead and gone, all you do now is signing a contract which handle your life to her with the government as enforcer.

I also believe it should be the women to talk about marriage first, and it should be the man to make it clear that its not gonna happen under such terms.
 

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You know what's beta? Worrying about if what you're doing is beta. Yah I know you're just asking. But seriously give less of a ****. If you wanna propose on the vomit comet in zero g, some ******* is gonna tell you it's beta as hell. Or that getting married is beta as hell. Do what you want. Know the cost and risks. Be prepared.
 

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These chicks these days don't deserve me kneeling in front of them,maybe in the 60s

And my grandparents was kids then,so that should tell you if I do decide to get married I won't be kneeling
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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