"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Is kneeling down to propose beta/afc like or not?

st_99

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Whats the consensus on that?

imo not really, but was wondering as i was talking to a friend about that topic..
 

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She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Just don't drop down on both knees.
 

st_99

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bmxcetera said:
Just don't drop down on both knees.
lol, i never thought about that, but yes! that would certainly be really bad body language.
 

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I am not a fan of generalizing.

If it's done in a cheeky way, it will not be an AFC move at all.

I have known many tough guys who wouldn't kneel down for proposing but rather they prefer "bending over" in an emotional sense, in their marriages.

Don't worry too much about these, don't miss the Forest for the trees.
 

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this is the moment that women dream about when they are 10 years old combing barbie's hair with their girlfriends. they've dreamed about the day thousands of times in their head.

give it to them the right way. let them have their day.
 

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Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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One of the most alpha proposal scenes I've seen in a movie (can't remember which one, just caught it on TV one night): post-coitus, after banging his woman's brain out, as he was laying on top of her, he reached to the night stand, pulled the ring out and said "marry me". None of this kneeling beta sh1t.
 

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I don't like the idea of kneeling to propose. Backbreaker makes a good point but I can't sort of get past the idea that kneeling to propose is almost akin to begging.
 

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When you kneel with a request you convey supplication and pleading.

My advice is not to do it. It won't have any bearing on her answer.
 

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getting married itself is one of the biggest chump moves a man can make

but hey if you want to be a chump might as well do it on your knees :nervous:

cause you can propose out of a convertible ferrari but it is still a chump move :rock:
 

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You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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I'd do it, but I'd make a crack WRT the knees that you're teaching by example!

Really, if you're putting a ring on the finger, you've already decided on the traditional path.
What could a proper formal proposal hurt?

Just, when you write your own vows (not those of the church), that's maybe where you can sneak in a couple unspoken of boundaries!

SH
 

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Depends, is she giving you a traditional honeymoon? Is she legitimately wearing white to symbolize her chasteness?

If the answer is YES then kneel away. If the answer is NO you by all rights probably should be beaten to a bloody pulp, tarred and feathered, paraded around town and publicly shamed.

Tradition disappeared when carouselling became a national pastime.
 

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SecondHalf said:
Really, if you're putting a ring on the finger, you've already decided on the traditional path.
That is about as traditional as the ring costing you 3 months salary (i.e a modern invention by our friends the big corporations).
 

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Dear St,
Might as well offer your head on a platter!
 

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Jitterbug said:
That is about as traditional as the ring costing you 3 months salary (i.e a modern invention by our friends the big corporations).
De Beers specifically.

I do agree with what Jitterbug mentioned that was not the topic, but if you've not bought it ...
A bigger diamond will not get you a better deal.
It's going to end the same way regardless if it's a 2 carat diamond or less than a carat.

SH
 

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Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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( . )( . ) said:
Depends, is she giving you a traditional honeymoon? Is she legitimately wearing white to symbolize her chasteness?

If the answer is YES then kneel away. If the answer is NO you by all rights probably should be beaten to a bloody pulp, tarred and feathered, paraded around town and publicly shamed.

Tradition disappeared when carouselling became a national pastime.
^

Golden, Mr. Tits.

I realize even more these days that feminism sh!ts on all traditional values women used to bring along into a marriage, all the while expecting men to be as chivalrous as they can be.
 

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the modern wedding is now all about show, peacocking, its 'her big day', The guy is the walk on part.
if you cant propose to a woman over a big mac and expect her to say yes and be right with you and alongside you for the whole trip, no fcking way you bow the knee.
I proposed to my ex wife after banging her on the living room floor, later bought her a washing machine instead of an engagement ring (her choice).
The big brash modern wedding is taking the pedestal to the Nth degree, you pay big bucks before the marriage and after the divorce, good luck with that trip
 

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I dont get it, or maybe I dont wanna get it.

You are overcomplicating your life for no apparent gain and handling all the power to her, and while asking it you also have to adopt a supplicant position?

I realize most of you guys would love to have that romance in your life, but the world which created such tradition is dead and gone, all you do now is signing a contract which handle your life to her with the government as enforcer.

I also believe it should be the women to talk about marriage first, and it should be the man to make it clear that its not gonna happen under such terms.
 

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You know what's beta? Worrying about if what you're doing is beta. Yah I know you're just asking. But seriously give less of a ****. If you wanna propose on the vomit comet in zero g, some ******* is gonna tell you it's beta as hell. Or that getting married is beta as hell. Do what you want. Know the cost and risks. Be prepared.
 

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These chicks these days don't deserve me kneeling in front of them,maybe in the 60s

And my grandparents was kids then,so that should tell you if I do decide to get married I won't be kneeling
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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