"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Is kneeling down to propose beta/afc like or not?

st_99

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Whats the consensus on that?

imo not really, but was wondering as i was talking to a friend about that topic..
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Just don't drop down on both knees.
 

st_99

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bmxcetera said:
Just don't drop down on both knees.
lol, i never thought about that, but yes! that would certainly be really bad body language.
 

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I am not a fan of generalizing.

If it's done in a cheeky way, it will not be an AFC move at all.

I have known many tough guys who wouldn't kneel down for proposing but rather they prefer "bending over" in an emotional sense, in their marriages.

Don't worry too much about these, don't miss the Forest for the trees.
 

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this is the moment that women dream about when they are 10 years old combing barbie's hair with their girlfriends. they've dreamed about the day thousands of times in their head.

give it to them the right way. let them have their day.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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One of the most alpha proposal scenes I've seen in a movie (can't remember which one, just caught it on TV one night): post-coitus, after banging his woman's brain out, as he was laying on top of her, he reached to the night stand, pulled the ring out and said "marry me". None of this kneeling beta sh1t.
 

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I don't like the idea of kneeling to propose. Backbreaker makes a good point but I can't sort of get past the idea that kneeling to propose is almost akin to begging.
 

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When you kneel with a request you convey supplication and pleading.

My advice is not to do it. It won't have any bearing on her answer.
 

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getting married itself is one of the biggest chump moves a man can make

but hey if you want to be a chump might as well do it on your knees :nervous:

cause you can propose out of a convertible ferrari but it is still a chump move :rock:
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I'd do it, but I'd make a crack WRT the knees that you're teaching by example!

Really, if you're putting a ring on the finger, you've already decided on the traditional path.
What could a proper formal proposal hurt?

Just, when you write your own vows (not those of the church), that's maybe where you can sneak in a couple unspoken of boundaries!

SH
 

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Depends, is she giving you a traditional honeymoon? Is she legitimately wearing white to symbolize her chasteness?

If the answer is YES then kneel away. If the answer is NO you by all rights probably should be beaten to a bloody pulp, tarred and feathered, paraded around town and publicly shamed.

Tradition disappeared when carouselling became a national pastime.
 

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SecondHalf said:
Really, if you're putting a ring on the finger, you've already decided on the traditional path.
That is about as traditional as the ring costing you 3 months salary (i.e a modern invention by our friends the big corporations).
 

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Dear St,
Might as well offer your head on a platter!
 

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Jitterbug said:
That is about as traditional as the ring costing you 3 months salary (i.e a modern invention by our friends the big corporations).
De Beers specifically.

I do agree with what Jitterbug mentioned that was not the topic, but if you've not bought it ...
A bigger diamond will not get you a better deal.
It's going to end the same way regardless if it's a 2 carat diamond or less than a carat.

SH
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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( . )( . ) said:
Depends, is she giving you a traditional honeymoon? Is she legitimately wearing white to symbolize her chasteness?

If the answer is YES then kneel away. If the answer is NO you by all rights probably should be beaten to a bloody pulp, tarred and feathered, paraded around town and publicly shamed.

Tradition disappeared when carouselling became a national pastime.
^

Golden, Mr. Tits.

I realize even more these days that feminism sh!ts on all traditional values women used to bring along into a marriage, all the while expecting men to be as chivalrous as they can be.
 

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the modern wedding is now all about show, peacocking, its 'her big day', The guy is the walk on part.
if you cant propose to a woman over a big mac and expect her to say yes and be right with you and alongside you for the whole trip, no fcking way you bow the knee.
I proposed to my ex wife after banging her on the living room floor, later bought her a washing machine instead of an engagement ring (her choice).
The big brash modern wedding is taking the pedestal to the Nth degree, you pay big bucks before the marriage and after the divorce, good luck with that trip
 

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I dont get it, or maybe I dont wanna get it.

You are overcomplicating your life for no apparent gain and handling all the power to her, and while asking it you also have to adopt a supplicant position?

I realize most of you guys would love to have that romance in your life, but the world which created such tradition is dead and gone, all you do now is signing a contract which handle your life to her with the government as enforcer.

I also believe it should be the women to talk about marriage first, and it should be the man to make it clear that its not gonna happen under such terms.
 

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You know what's beta? Worrying about if what you're doing is beta. Yah I know you're just asking. But seriously give less of a ****. If you wanna propose on the vomit comet in zero g, some ******* is gonna tell you it's beta as hell. Or that getting married is beta as hell. Do what you want. Know the cost and risks. Be prepared.
 

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These chicks these days don't deserve me kneeling in front of them,maybe in the 60s

And my grandparents was kids then,so that should tell you if I do decide to get married I won't be kneeling
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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