Really no hot girls except my gym. Girl I have my eye on but she gives no IOI's before. I'm a good looking guy whose never been rejected but a lot of the time the girls never gives IOI's to me like people say if your so attractive. Should i strike up a convo at the gym anyway?
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
marmel75
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Gym is not an ideal place to converse and pick up women but I did it a month or so ago for the first time ever and it worked out well but that was mainly because i was in a weird, playful mood that day...
The only real IOI you'll ever get that means anything is when she has your d!ck in her mouth. Dont wait go for what you want but you need to expand your areas to find women.
The only real IOI you'll ever get that means anything is when she has your d!ck in her mouth. Dont wait go for what you want but you need to expand your areas to find women.
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Thats not how you improve. People who never fail have never really succeeded at anything either
Murk
Master Don Juan
That
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
Murk
Master Don Juan
You don't want to be that person that is looking for IOI's before initiating. Some guy posted the other day he is never rejected because he only approaches girls that are interested, you don't want to be that guy either. This game is not to be played from safety and comfort, that's beta. Waiting for girls to approach you or put it on a plate is not going to get you the quality of women you want and I know from experience because growing up I was that guy. I have the **** relationships to prove it.
Makes a lot of sense. Girls that choose me were cute/hot but always crazy and sorta bipolar. Time for me to choose. I contribute not being rejected because I'm 19 with a sports car(material items etc) and my looks get me talked about around schools. Even though im short 5'7.
devilkingx2
Master Don Juan
Find the middle ground between approaching an angry looking woman wearing headphones and typing on a laptop versus waiting for a declaration of love to approach
Both of those extremes will get you nowhere
The only IOIs you need to watch out for are ones that generally lack ambiguity. Stuff like compliance or letting you escalate or if she's willing to be 5 minutes late to whatever shes doing to talk to you, or something.
Likewise don't get yourself rejected needlessly, it'll only crush your spirits. Only do approaches where you think you at least have a chance (learn to spot wastes of time) and use failures to calibrate appropriately (for example, i have a bad track record for girls with laptops) and learn from mistakes (bad openers, bad closing, bad jokes, bad reading of signals/signs/hints, etc.)
Both of those extremes will get you nowhere
The only IOIs you need to watch out for are ones that generally lack ambiguity. Stuff like compliance or letting you escalate or if she's willing to be 5 minutes late to whatever shes doing to talk to you, or something.
Likewise don't get yourself rejected needlessly, it'll only crush your spirits. Only do approaches where you think you at least have a chance (learn to spot wastes of time) and use failures to calibrate appropriately (for example, i have a bad track record for girls with laptops) and learn from mistakes (bad openers, bad closing, bad jokes, bad reading of signals/signs/hints, etc.)
flowtheory
Master Don Juan
Never been rejected? I call bs. Every guy has been rejected at some point. It’s almost impossible not to have been. Even if you approached only 10 women in your life, the chances are so slim, unless you’re going for women who are bottom bottoooom if the barrel.
And you’re on here just puffing your chest out. “I’m good looking, have a sports car, never been rejected”.
Why you looking for advice then, James Deen?
Go get rejected 10 times today and report back then let us know how you feel, JD.
And you’re on here just puffing your chest out. “I’m good looking, have a sports car, never been rejected”.
Why you looking for advice then, James Deen?
Go get rejected 10 times today and report back then let us know how you feel, JD.
Agree on both fronts here. Gym isn't the easiest place to lay game. Not impossible, just not ideal. Additionally, if we ALL waited for IOIs, no one would ever get laid or even dates. You see what you like, go after what you like. It's your job as an assertive man
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.