Really no hot girls except my gym. Girl I have my eye on but she gives no IOI's before. I'm a good looking guy whose never been rejected but a lot of the time the girls never gives IOI's to me like people say if your so attractive. Should i strike up a convo at the gym anyway?
"The Kiss of Death Mistake"
You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?
Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.
One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.
Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
marmel75
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Gym is not an ideal place to converse and pick up women but I did it a month or so ago for the first time ever and it worked out well but that was mainly because i was in a weird, playful mood that day...
The only real IOI you'll ever get that means anything is when she has your d!ck in her mouth. Dont wait go for what you want but you need to expand your areas to find women.
The only real IOI you'll ever get that means anything is when she has your d!ck in her mouth. Dont wait go for what you want but you need to expand your areas to find women.
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Thats not how you improve. People who never fail have never really succeeded at anything either
Murk
Master Don Juan
That
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
Murk
Master Don Juan
You don't want to be that person that is looking for IOI's before initiating. Some guy posted the other day he is never rejected because he only approaches girls that are interested, you don't want to be that guy either. This game is not to be played from safety and comfort, that's beta. Waiting for girls to approach you or put it on a plate is not going to get you the quality of women you want and I know from experience because growing up I was that guy. I have the **** relationships to prove it.
Makes a lot of sense. Girls that choose me were cute/hot but always crazy and sorta bipolar. Time for me to choose. I contribute not being rejected because I'm 19 with a sports car(material items etc) and my looks get me talked about around schools. Even though im short 5'7.
devilkingx2
Master Don Juan
Find the middle ground between approaching an angry looking woman wearing headphones and typing on a laptop versus waiting for a declaration of love to approach
Both of those extremes will get you nowhere
The only IOIs you need to watch out for are ones that generally lack ambiguity. Stuff like compliance or letting you escalate or if she's willing to be 5 minutes late to whatever shes doing to talk to you, or something.
Likewise don't get yourself rejected needlessly, it'll only crush your spirits. Only do approaches where you think you at least have a chance (learn to spot wastes of time) and use failures to calibrate appropriately (for example, i have a bad track record for girls with laptops) and learn from mistakes (bad openers, bad closing, bad jokes, bad reading of signals/signs/hints, etc.)
Both of those extremes will get you nowhere
The only IOIs you need to watch out for are ones that generally lack ambiguity. Stuff like compliance or letting you escalate or if she's willing to be 5 minutes late to whatever shes doing to talk to you, or something.
Likewise don't get yourself rejected needlessly, it'll only crush your spirits. Only do approaches where you think you at least have a chance (learn to spot wastes of time) and use failures to calibrate appropriately (for example, i have a bad track record for girls with laptops) and learn from mistakes (bad openers, bad closing, bad jokes, bad reading of signals/signs/hints, etc.)
flowtheory
Master Don Juan
Never been rejected? I call bs. Every guy has been rejected at some point. It’s almost impossible not to have been. Even if you approached only 10 women in your life, the chances are so slim, unless you’re going for women who are bottom bottoooom if the barrel.
And you’re on here just puffing your chest out. “I’m good looking, have a sports car, never been rejected”.
Why you looking for advice then, James Deen?
Go get rejected 10 times today and report back then let us know how you feel, JD.
And you’re on here just puffing your chest out. “I’m good looking, have a sports car, never been rejected”.
Why you looking for advice then, James Deen?
Go get rejected 10 times today and report back then let us know how you feel, JD.
Agree on both fronts here. Gym isn't the easiest place to lay game. Not impossible, just not ideal. Additionally, if we ALL waited for IOIs, no one would ever get laid or even dates. You see what you like, go after what you like. It's your job as an assertive man
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.