"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Interesting class dynamic ~ suggestions welcome

CantTouchMyStyle

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I am taking a summer film class at the moment and there is one chick I am attracted to.

Unfortunately, she is in the class with two guy friends. Pretty big obstacles since she is obviously very flirtatious with one of them / the other is ugly. The one guy she flirts with has a girlfriend. So, she should be available.

Anyways, we worked in a group and I was smart enough to joke around and become friendly with the only potential obstacle. He likes me which is pretty important. But, it's still a pretty interesting dynamic since it will be very hard to isolate the chick with the two c*ck blocks present. They go on breaks together, drive there together, etc.

I am rather good with classroom game, but I haven't experienced anything like this dynamic.

Suggestions welcome ~
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Sneaky, aren't we? How about not beating around the bush and asking her out. Otherwise this type of thing will land you a nice ticket to Friendsville, population you, that guy, and the chick. Assuming you did the attraction part with her, and flirted with her, not just with the guy, while she flirted with him. Also dint use others to get to the woman, it will be exposed sooner or later.
 

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look for the positive rather than the negative in this (or any) situation

the other two dudes aren't necessarily a problem, in fact they can actually help you

you don't have to work on ways to get them out the picture, do stuff with them in the picture! their presence shouldn't restrict you, use them - you can be funny, witty, interesting, all these things with them there too. If the girl likes you, she'll like you regardless of whether they are there or not, and it can work in your favour (you are less likely to be cloying or boring if there are others present!). also showing your good quality when there are others around, a) generally increases your popularity anyway (a good look!),

and b) when you are not there, they will talk about you - now they might say "that guy is cool", this is good. and they might see you as a threat and say "that guy is a ****" - this can be good too, as long as it is because they actually see you as a threat and not because you actually are acting like a **** (she'll see through them, esp if you've all being getting on well and they are just trying to downplay your value to her)
 

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PapiChulo said:
Sneaky, aren't we? How about not beating around the bush and asking her out. Otherwise this type of thing will land you a nice ticket to Friendsville, population you, that guy, and the chick. Assuming you did the attraction part with her, and flirted with her, not just with the guy, while she flirted with him. Also dint use others to get to the woman, it will be exposed sooner or later.
WTF is this nonsense? Sneaky?

The class just started. I will build a small amount of rapport before asking her out. She was flirting with me in the class, but is also very flirtatious/friendly with her guy friend in the class.

And you're insane if you don't think I am going to use this other guy as a pawn.
 

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mahoney said:
look for the positive rather than the negative in this (or any) situation

the other two dudes aren't necessarily a problem, in fact they can actually help you

you don't have to work on ways to get them out the picture, do stuff with them in the picture! their presence shouldn't restrict you, use them - you can be funny, witty, interesting, all these things with them there too. If the girl likes you, she'll like you regardless of whether they are there or not, and it can work in your favour (you are less likely to be cloying or boring if there are others present!). also showing your good quality when there are others around, a) generally increases your popularity anyway (a good look!),

and b) when you are not there, they will talk about you - now they might say "that guy is cool", this is good. and they might see you as a threat and say "that guy is a ****" - this can be good too, as long as it is because they actually see you as a threat and not because you actually are acting like a **** (she'll see through them, esp if you've all being getting on well and they are just trying to downplay your value to her)
This is a good post, ty sir.

And is my entire line of thinking.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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