"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I'm going to work hard to be natural around women

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By that, I mean not desperate, not expecting anything, not wanting anything, no agenda, talking to them strictly to have fun and have a good conversation

Honestly, I think this has been one of my biggest downfalls in the past when I was around somebody I wanted. I wanted it to happen so bad that it was just obvious and I came across as desperate

IMO, best results happen with women when you least expect it. I'm just going to try to talk to hot women everywhere I can and make sure that I come across very genuine.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I would go one step beyond that and talk to everyone in proximity.

Young, old, fat, ugly, skinny, beautiful, mixed race, etc. Doesn't matter. We're all human.

When you remove your agenda, you'll focus more on feeling at ease around anyone. When you do find a target you like... you'll give that person a fair shot and you won't come across as needy because you're socially calibrated. Good luck...
 

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I'm just going to try to talk to hot women everywhere I can and make sure that I come across very genuine.
That may be the first smart thing you've said on this forum.
 

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I would go one step beyond that and talk to everyone in proximity.

Young, old, fat, ugly, skinny, beautiful, mixed race, etc. Doesn't matter. We're all human.

When you remove your agenda, you'll focus more on feeling at ease around anyone. When you do find a target you like... you'll give that person a fair shot and you won't come across as needy because you're socially calibrated. Good luck...

i try to make small talk as much as I can already
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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That may be the first smart thing you've said on this forum.
Umm, but he said "hot" women. He needs to talk to ALL women and have the same standards on each for acceptable conduct.
 

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Umm, but he said "hot" women. He needs to talk to ALL women and have the same standards on each for acceptable conduct.
But he's said before he can talk to women he's not attracted to, and that they all praise him for having such a great personality. His issue is apparently with the girls he's actually attracted to.
 

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But he's said before he can talk to women he's not attracted to, and that they all praise him for having such a great personality. His issue is apparently with the girls he's actually attracted to.
I think he's lying . I don't think he likes talking to ones he don't want .
 

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But he's said before he can talk to women he's not attracted to, and that they all praise him for having such a great personality. His issue is apparently with the girls he's actually attracted to.
I had a nice conversation with a decent looking 27 year old blonde Saturday
I had a nice conversation with another decent looking 26 year old at a bar 2 weeks ago

both of them approached me

I've gotten much much better at talking to decent looking women. My problem is I don't like blondes/light skin women and the second chick was kinda dumb/trashy
 
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