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The quality women that makes a beta wait until the 5th date is the same girl dropping panties for the alpha resort manager out back of the hotel on vacation.
This is just not a reliable indicator of wife material.
Behavior in your circle and obedience to what you ask of her and especially any boundaries you have. Thats the reliable factor. Obediance


I know a few guys that are in LTR that refuse to fly. They don't travel and I'm not saying this is fact but i wonder when their wives go on these vacations ( as they go anyway) have been jizz filled to the rim while on "vacation"
It probably happens more then we know.
Totally agree with the first concept, absolutely.

I still however cant take too seriously a girl that gives me everything the first night, surely its a good sign of interest but I find it very unlikely that Im the first guy she did it.

I would be much more satisfied with enough intimacy to make it clear that she is into me but not too much that makes me doubt that she is used to it.

But again Im not in a ltr so dont know, maybe you can tell me about your case?
 

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I know a few guys that are in LTR that refuse to fly. They don't travel and I'm not saying this is fact but i wonder when their wives go on these vacations ( as they go anyway) have been jizz filled to the rim while on "vacation"
It probably happens more then we know.
I agree completely. I don't know any guys who don't travel with their girlfriends or wives.
 

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I agree completely. I don't know any guys who don't travel with their girlfriends or wives.
I know many altough not cause they are scared to fly, most of them are married men who are fine being cheated as long as they have some freedom to enjoy their lifes without their wifes around.

A guy I know that has a very important role in the european parliament is one of those, he is fine with his wife getting railed in spain during her vacations as long as he is free to keep in pace with his work and bang one of his secretaries with no concern of being caught.
 

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I know many altough not cause they are scared to fly, most of them are married men who are fine being cheated as long as they have some freedom to enjoy their lifes without their wifes around.

A guy I know that has a very important role in the european parliament is one of those, he is fine with his wife getting railed in spain during her vacations as long as he is free to keep in pace with his work and bang one of his secretaries with no concern of being caught.
Dude those people just need to be killed. I’m sorry, but that’s just degeneracy on a whole other level. I hate hearing crap like that. It’s an abomination.
 

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Dude those people just need to be killed. I’m sorry, but that’s just degeneracy on a whole other level. I hate hearing crap like that. It’s an abomination.
Thats what happens when you cant get rid of a woman without losing your house and half of your money, the abomination is the law that regulates marriages in 2020.
 

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Thats what happens when you cant get rid of a woman without losing your house and half of your money, the abomination is the law that regulates marriages in 2020.
Well ain’t that the truth. The law should really gtfo of marriages.

Interestingly enough, there’s this one pornstar by the name of Malena la Pugliese (stage name) who was a politician (or was married to one, or both; something like that anyway). Marriage in the West is damned.
 

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Hard to say, probably I still see women the way they were seen 50 years ago but its not a problem since Im not looking for a relationship.

Be more choosey. If you know yourself and live by that you will know won't you?
Well Im not married nor engaged so not my problem, regarding those men as you know from many users here also, you marry a woman and within two years you cant really tell what she becomes.

The big problem in such situations is that you really cant correct her misbehaviours if she doesnt want, you cant force her to make a diet and you cant leave her if she misbehave and she knows it.

They know that you cant leave them if you are married unless you are willing to pay their weight in gold...and their weight usually becomes a lot after the ring.

So i think you are referring to balance here. And that is good.
But i will tell you that you will be much better off guaging her behavior and how she treats you.
Intimacy is the product of respect. Not emotions.
I agree with the respect point and I would add also consideration of your value, I respect many people while still recognizing that their overall value is low so guess it happens the same for women.
 

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Tatoos are for sheep! I proudly have ZERO
At this point, it can be argued that having 0 tattoos is countercultural.

I know many altough not cause they are scared to fly, most of them are married men who are fine being cheated as long as they have some freedom to enjoy their lifes without their wifes around.

A guy I know that has a very important role in the european parliament is one of those, he is fine with his wife getting railed in spain during her vacations as long as he is free to keep in pace with his work and bang one of his secretaries with no concern of being caught.
There are 2 different situations here:

If a wife or girlfriend is cheating and the man isn't, he's a complete cuck.

If both parts in a relationship are cheating, it is a bad monogamous relationship that probably should end or be re-classified as an open relationships. In an open relationship, there isn't exactly cheating. Open relationships are a different can of worms.
 

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At this point, it can be argued that having 0 tattoos is countercultural.

Yeah, I hope you are right. I feel like having zero tattoos, you are now the different one.

There are 2 different situations here:

If a wife or girlfriend is cheating and the man isn't, he's a complete cuck.

If both parts in a relationship are cheating, it is a bad monogamous relationship that probably should end or be re-classified as an open relationships. In an open relationship, there isn't exactly cheating. Open relationships are a different can of worms.
 

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Good topic OP and i agree.

You can’t fault a woman too much in this day and age for having a small concealable tattoo of a relative or a loved one’s name, birthday, etc. to preserve their memory in her skin.

But more than that and she’s psychologically and/or emotionally damaged, did it because other females are, thinks it makes her edgy, independent and attractive, or a combination of the 3. At the end of the day, women with tattoos are rarely long term relationship material and men should be thankful that these damaged women make it easy for us to spot them.

I still however cant take too seriously a girl that gives me everything the first night
Also agree 100%. This topic has been talked about before on here and the consensus (from men with alot of experience) is that she will always be worse as a long-term option, compared to women who will give you some resistance. Note i didn't say deliberately make you wait in a manner of playing a game, the key is to see progress. Kiss on first date, heavy makeout session on date 2, sex on date 3. Something like that is a sign of quality.
A woman who doesn't put out the first night will pretty much always make for a better girlfriend, all else being equal.
Why that is i have no clue but maybe it's a sign high amount of self-respect, confidence and good rolemodels growing up. Traits found in high quality women.
 

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Good topic OP and i agree.

You can’t fault a woman too much in this day and age for having a small concealable tattoo of a relative or a loved one’s name, birthday, etc. to preserve their memory in her skin.

But more than that and she’s psychologically and/or emotionally damaged, did it because other females are, thinks it makes her edgy, independent and attractive, or a combination of the 3. At the end of the day, women with tattoos are rarely long term relationship material and men should be thankful that these damaged women make it easy for us to spot them.



Also agree 100%. This topic has been talked about before on here and the consensus (from men with alot of experience) is that she will always be worse as a long-term option, compared to women who will give you some resistance. Note i didn't say deliberately make you wait in a manner of playing a game, the key is to see progress. Kiss on first date, heavy makeout session on date 2, sex on date 3. Something like that is a sign of quality.
A woman who doesn't put out the first night will pretty much always make for a better girlfriend, all else being equal.
Why that is i have no clue but maybe it's a sign high amount of self-respect, confidence and good rolemodels growing up. Traits found in high quality women.
Totally agree, she denies sex its a sign of low interest or manipulation while she gives you everything soon its a sign or sexual promiscuity and impulsive behaviour and both cases are a red flag.

The good one is the one that gives you enough intimacy to show you that she cares and likes you but makes some resistance and needs to progress time after time.

It shows that she values herself and is not used to fvck around and most of all can self control.

Girls with tattoos and easy lays both share an impulsive attitude and low self control which are both terrible sign to build anything serious.

Plus girls who fvcked around are basically unable to bond with a man.
 

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Totally agree, she denies sex its a sign of low interest or manipulation while she gives you everything soon its a sign or sexual promiscuity and impulsive behaviour and both cases are a red flag.

The good one is the one that gives you enough intimacy to show you that she cares and likes you but makes some resistance and needs to progress time after time.

It shows that she values herself and is not used to fvck around and most of all can self control.

Girls with tattoos and easy lays both share an impulsive attitude and low self control which are both terrible sign to build anything serious.

Plus girls who fvcked around are basically unable to bond with a man.
You still have to have some sense of forgiveness if she otherwise seems to be an all right girl, not only because it makes no sense to reject a girl for desiring you as we have already said, but also because girls get conflicting messages too about how soon to have sex. She might think that if she doesn't fvck you quickly you will reject her for example. Or she might be submissive to you and fvcks you because she is following your escalation lead, if you reject her then then you will punish her for being submissive to you.

Of course if she's a walking red flag then the case is obvious. But my point is to evaluate her as a person too and the context between you, don't just throw girls away or accept them unquestionably for a tunnelvisioned reason (the same tunnelvision is behind guys who think that just because she made him wait, that's who she is with all guys and she's a so called "good woman", then the mask comes off and she's actually toxic).

But maybe this perspective is colored by my own attitude. I just care about whether she desires and respects me and she's compatible with me or not, I find in the real world I'm not very hung up on sex itself.
 
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Also agree 100%. This topic has been talked about before on here and the consensus (from men with alot of experience) is that she will always be worse as a long-term option, compared to women who will give you some resistance. Note i didn't say deliberately make you wait in a manner of playing a game, the key is to see progress. Kiss on first date, heavy makeout session on date 2, sex on date 3. Something like that is a sign of quality.
A woman who doesn't put out the first night will pretty much always make for a better girlfriend, all else being equal.
Why that is i have no clue but maybe it's a sign high amount of self-respect, confidence and good rolemodels growing up. Traits found in high quality women.
There isn't that much difference between sex on date 1 and sex on date 3. When you have sex with someone on a 3rd date, you've maybe spent 6-8 hours of your life together. That's not that much time. Those 3 dates have probably occurred in less than a 2 week time frame.

There is a lot of emphasis placed upon getting to the bang as quick as possible. That has a high probability of affecting relational outcomes.

Totally agree, she denies sex its a sign of low interest or manipulation while she gives you everything soon its a sign or sexual promiscuity and impulsive behaviour and both cases are a red flag.

The good one is the one that gives you enough intimacy to show you that she cares and likes you but makes some resistance and needs to progress time after time.

It shows that she values herself and is not used to fvck around and most of all can self control.

Girls with tattoos and easy lays both share an impulsive attitude and low self control which are both terrible sign to build anything serious.

Plus girls who fvcked around are basically unable to bond with a man.
I am not pleased when a woman with a big tattoo or tattoos doesn't fucck me on the first or second date. I can think of 2 instances from swipe apps where I knew going into the date that the woman had some sizable tattoos, she didn't put out on the first date, and there was no second date. I thought her tattoos and willingness to get together were a sign that I was going to get the bang in short order.

Almost any woman, tattoos or not, who is still available after her late 20s usually has a notch count high enough to make putting a ring on it a really bad idea. In general, the mating marketplace now is so bad that a 2-5 year relationship that is mostly good and produces no kids is a good outcome that limits downsides.
 

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She might think that if she doesn't fvck you quickly you will reject her for example. Or she might be submissive to you and fvcks you because she is following your escalation lead, if you reject her then then you will punish her for being submissive to you.
A woman with confidence who values her body will not think this way, that is indicative of an insecure woman with low self esteem.

Since women are gatekeepers to sex, the smartest, healthiest ones realise its value and will not put out immediately. Nowadays your ordinary western promiscuous woman doesn't realise this and puts zero value on sex, or her body, just as the nice guy doesn't realise the power he holds as the gatekeeper to a relationship with a woman and almost tries to force himself into one, making him lower quality in the eyes of women.
 

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Riiight. The worst sex I had so far was with female with tats. It was only woman I with tats I had sex with.
You have a sample size problem clearly...and in a later post I actually said I should have restated that as the more tats the more adventurous the sex...I have had really amazing sex with a few women with no tats but they are usually less adventurous and not into things like anal and choking etc...
 

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A woman with confidence who values her body will not think this way, that is indicative of an insecure woman with low self esteem.

Since women are gatekeepers to sex, the smartest, healthiest ones realise its value and will not put out immediately. Nowadays your ordinary western promiscuous woman doesn't realise this and puts zero value on sex, or her body, just as the nice guy doesn't realise the power he holds as the gatekeeper to a relationship with a woman and almost tries to force himself into one, making him lower quality in the eyes of women.
Yeah that may be true.

Imo the saying that "women are gatekeepers to sex, men nare gatekeepers to relationships" is WRONG. What's true is that apex men are gatekeepers to relationships, but ordinary men? h3ll no.
 

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The girl with tats gave me "WTF R U DOING?" look when I tried to have rough sex with her. Never happened to me with other chicks. Just sayin'. It can however be sample size problem as you said OR she just had tats because she was so damaged thus her reaction.
She had to be in control?
 

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My intuition told me at that point that someone had hurt her or even raped her - she explicitly asked me with cold voice "umm what are you doing?". Yes, with that girl was no spanking, hard-phucking etc. it was very boring sex.
It could be that is how she saw you, so she had you compartamentalized into "boring" sex. When you tried to have sex like you really have it, she said "what are you doing?", so you will get back in your place.
 
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