"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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4 words that will will throw me off in a convo. How do I respond to this? Say we're talking and I ask her out, and she throws this line at me? I wouldn't go after her after hearing this, but how to do I back out of this gracefully?
Oh my God, some guy tried to use this one on me last night!
I would have replied "sausages" and then walked off.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Oh my God, some guy tried to use this one on me last night!
Did it work?
She made that post in 2002 and hasn't been seen in the Forum since 2009. She probably wouldn't remember by now even if she was actively posting. She was slated to get married in 2005. There's a good chance that marriage ended and she's in her 40s nearly 50 by now.
 

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She made that post in 2002 and hasn't been seen in the Forum since 2009. She probably wouldn't remember by now even if she was actively posting. She was slated to get married in 2005. There's a good chance that marriage ended and she's in her 40s nearly 50 by now.
Holy sheet. They should put this thread in the Egyptian Museum.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Holy sheet. They should put this thread in the Egyptian Museum.
I can remember some approaches that I made from 2000-2005, especially if the approach ended in a bang. If an approach I made in 2000-2005 resulted in a bang, I'll likely remember it. If there was some harsh rejection, I'd likely remember it. There are also numerous rejections from that era that I wouldn't remember.

Women field a lot of approaches. They field more approaches than we do. If you consider electronic approaches, that number has gone way up since 2005. Even in 2002, if a 25 year old woman was going out to bars and didn't have a website dating profile, she was still getting approached a decent amount.
 

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4 words that will will throw me off in a convo. How do I respond to this? Say we're talking and I ask her out, and she throws this line at me? I wouldn't go after her after hearing this, but how to do I back out of this gracefully?
Tell her "Call me if it doesn't work out" or "OK. Call me if your situation changes".

The point with this is that you're not ignoring what she said, but you're still leaving the door open IF (and only IF) she changes her mind about what she wants to do with you. You're not accepting to deal with her as a friend.
 

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This is an ancient thread, but it's a common theme and I think the advice to this question hasn't changed. If a girl tells you that she has a boyfriend, you can't ignore it. It could be a sign of low interest or she could just be letting you know the deal, in case something does happen between you.

I would rather that a girl not tell me if she has a boyfriend. I don't ask and I don't want to know. But if she does, then you have to acknowledge it and let her know what your position is. For me - I don't give a sheet really, as long as she is willing to bang. If not then I don't want to deal with her. So I tell her "if something changes and you want to do something together, call me". That makes it clear that I don't want calls from her unless she wants to get together, but on the other hand I'm not just blowing her off.
 

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IHAB is fading. With more people using swipe apps to meet people, IHAB's are less commonly used now than they were in the early years of me dating (1999-2005, ages 16 to 22). Even when websites were gaining in popularity from 2005-2012, IHAB's were still common enough. Once Tinder got big around 2013, I think they started fading. I can't recall the last time I got IHAB'ed. I have used swipe apps over the years but have done plenty of cold approaching. Something you'll notice with more use of swipe apps is that some women don't know how to process in-person approaches anymore. This was going on before COVID hit and was usually seen in daytime approaching.

when I asked her out, she gave me some bogus excuse that she had just gotten out of a relationship and wasn't going to see anyone one on one. She had moved to the city 6 months earlier, so it is likely that whatever relationship she was in ended 6 months earlier when she moved. About 6 weeks later, I saw her at the grocery store with some guy. That line was total horse manure. I had to see her at my gym for a long time after that and had still seen her at my gym right before the pandemic hit.
I still think most women are not giving IHAB's anymore but are using other excuses, like the bogus one I talk about on the previous page.
 

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Often times, when a girl gives you an excuse like this, it's code for 'try harder.'

Truth.
Sometimes it is. I don't take IHAB at face value when I get it. I assume she's shiit testing. Even if she is in a relationship, as most people are at any given point, it's likely a mediocre to subpar one.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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4 words that will will throw me off in a convo. How do I respond to this? Say we're talking and I ask her out, and she throws this line at me? I wouldn't go after her after hearing this, but how to do I back out of this gracefully?
I ignore it and continue the conversation. She is telling you that to keep her ASD up. She is bored with him if she is spending time with you especially if she seems to like you. I had a girl tell me that a month ago. We talked about him only a few minutes and she mentioned he has 6 cats. Without dissing him, I mentioned that’s a lot of cats. It’s like a cat farm in his house. I then moved the conversation back what we were doing. You could tell she was bored with him and his cats. Saw her the other day in the store. She stands very close and stares into my eyes when speaking to me as long as she doesn’t have her friends around her Who may alert catboy. Must attempt escalation if I get through the BF protection shield.
 

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Often times, when a girl gives you an excuse like this, it's code for 'try harder.'

Truth.
“Dance, monkey, dance!” No thank you. She had her one chance and you decided to blow it. I’m not into “trying harder” and playing games.
 

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You never know if it could’ve turned into some beautiful.

...all because you didn’t want to give her another ounce of effort.

Having the mindset you suggest is a bit too ego-centric.

These chicks know how to play the game too, gents.
You degrade yourself as a man by chasing after some girl that just told you she has a boyfriend. I am first to admit that I have a rather large ego, it gets me in trouble sometimes but it also keeps me from being made a fool of too. She could pick any number of lines to use if she wants me to try harder, “sorry I have a boyfriend” will never make me try harder. It’ll make me say “ok cool, later” and turn around and walk off.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Her: "I have a boyfriend."

Hank: Is he an organ donor?

Her: No.

Hank: He's not? See, you're way too beautiful to be with someone who can't even give you their heart."

@TheNewStyle123 @RickPound @Robert28 @SW15 @Pan87 @Black Widow Void @BeExcellent

this is how the real players respond to it. Works like a charm.
Good grief that’s awful. Do you laugh your a$$ off after saying that?
Give girl line, wait for shock and dry heaves, follow up with:
On a scale of 1 to 10 how nauseous does that line make you?
Girl: 10
You: Ok, I’ll log that for the study

You have now completely eliminated the BF from the conversation. Brilliant!
 

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4 words that will will throw me off in a convo. How do I respond to this? Say we're talking and I ask her out, and she throws this line at me? I wouldn't go after her after hearing this, but how to do I back out of this gracefully?
ive slept with a woman the next day that said this. Look her dead in the eye with the "I will fvck the sh1t out of you" intent (make sure your confident and attractive before you do this lol) while saying its okay we can just be friends. She knows what you want and because you said youll be friends youll take the responsibility off of her if she just happens to have your penis in her pvssy lol. This is how women think.
 
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Dude when a woman mentions upfront that she has a bf, husband or even seeing somebody that means she's not interested in you even if she's lying or not. Your best response is ok no problem and walk away. Men are not competitors they are opportunists so stop simping over a woman who telling u she has a bf.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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