"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
I don't even know what to say when they start conversations
- Thread starter RichardTheFrog
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
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user43770
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Eh, I don't get agitated or anything. I've never felt the need to ignore anyone except my exes. And I'm not even good at that lol
logicallefty
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Try it with someone who is not a mod
Here is what it should look like
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user43770
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I recommended How to Win Friends and Influence People to him a while back. He said that he had already read it, it sucked, and that he isn't looking to make friends.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
RichardTheFrog
Banned
Because I don't want male friends?
I am 100% sure you are not qualified to diagnose anything and probably barely even know what you are talking about.
Even talking to YOU for 3 seconds, I can already tell I wouldn't want to be your friend. Why would I be stupid enough to think that other guys are on my side? That's not how the world works, little boy.
logicallefty
Moderator
@LARaiders85 @RichardTheFrog Come on fellas, please don't start bickering in a thread where I JUST clarified how to use the ignore button. Show your brother mod Lefty some respect will yas'? 
RichardTheFrog
Banned
I was insulted. Then I defended myself.@LARaiders85 @RichardTheFrog Come on fellas, please don't start bickering in a thread where I JUST clarified how to use the ignore button. Show your brother mod Lefty some respect will yas'?
I don't even know who that loser is.
RichardTheFrog
Banned
So put me on ignore and don't respond to me. You're going to reply to my thread to insult me, then whine like a baby.
I'm already having to censor myself from telling you what I really think so I don't get kicked off.
logicallefty
Moderator
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Atom Smasher
Master Don Juan
Richard, one reason you are struggling with this is that you are very mechanical in your thought processes. You seem to look for immediate, pragmatic value or payoff in a given interaction, rather than using these interactions to hone your social skills. Your problem is not looks, but rather you are telegraphing your mechanical way of viewing others.
Think of yourself as a precision blade, and you can sharpen yourself and hone your craft (the craft of smooth social interaction) by engaging in small-talk. The "payoff" has little to do with individual interactions but everything to do with turning yourself into a man who can socialize smoothly over time.
What precisely did this woman at the store say?
Think of yourself as a precision blade, and you can sharpen yourself and hone your craft (the craft of smooth social interaction) by engaging in small-talk. The "payoff" has little to do with individual interactions but everything to do with turning yourself into a man who can socialize smoothly over time.
What precisely did this woman at the store say?
hockeyfreak79
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It's unfortunate that you think this way because it is far from the truth. I met probably one of my best friends to this day after my divorce. He's redpill/game aware as you can get but has ZERO awareness what RP is or even SS for that matter. Natural through trial and error etc, pretty much what I like to call it.
So anyway he's extremely social, confident guy and would introduce me to woman all the time. He'd even be out with some random chick and say hey meet me at xyz we'll watch some hockey. At first I thought it was weird cause he'd be on a date but man that shït was fun. There were even times were he would tell me hey man if your interested in so & so go for it.
Hands down the best wingman I've had no doubt and will be a life long friend of mine. And NO we never tag teamed a chick, but there was 1 chick that asked us but hell NO not interested.
RichardTheFrog
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So only reason he's your friend is because he can do something for you.
hockeyfreak79
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No we probably became friends because we both shared similar interests in hobbies/things etc.
Murk
Master Don Juan
Compliments help, “yeah I really like this song who is it by? Oh ok I usually like XYZ kind of music. That’s a cute jacket you have on, so where are you off to today?”
It’s just about being confident and relaxed, one day a switch flicked inside me and I came super outgoing, I’d had enough of overthinking and living inside my head. When that switch flicks it never goes back off.
It’s just about being confident and relaxed, one day a switch flicked inside me and I came super outgoing, I’d had enough of overthinking and living inside my head. When that switch flicks it never goes back off.
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.