"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I’m a woman looking for advice from men. Was I too forward with him?

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Just about any man would be flattered if a woman told him she found him attractive and fantasized about him; regardless if he was attracted to her or not.

Sounds like dude is maladroit and simply does not know how to relate to women. His focus on the why seems like a cope. His anger is absurd, of course I don’t know him and if you know his gf or not. He may think it’s a loyalty test. Ya just never know.
The thing is, I don’t know if I lost his friendship now because of this. Should I just forget about him? Now it feels like I might bother him and prefer to leave him alone. Do you think what I told him was that bad?
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I just wanted to let him know I think he’s hot. He has many qualities I always looked for in a man. I’m usually not too flirty with men but with him I wanted to try it and not have regrets
But why flirt with him if there is no tangible end goal? Like @Dr.Suave so eloquently said: Either put out or leave him alone. As of right now, in his eyes and every man's eye here, you are a tease seeking validation.

PS: Forget about genuine platonic friendships between men and women. 99% of the time one or the other has some level of physical attraction. A genuine friendship between men and women is not realistic, it's going to be conditional. And quite frankly, detrimental for you in your case.
 
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If you want the truth, Judge a woman by her actions, not what she says. This is another example.

Ole brown eye was down to fuhk since day one, and turned on by the fact he had a new girl. Biatches breed more biatches, they always go into heat when they see you with another. She took a shot and got rejected. Her failsafe to protect her ego was "ohh it was just a fantasy". No girl likes being rejected in any form. Everybody knows that.

If we could only hear his side of the story.

You can bet this chic was faking orgasms with her ex and rubbing one out to her secret Romeo. No decent girl would have hit up her secret Romeo knowing he had a chic already.
 
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"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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this makes a lot of men feel better I am sure

I was expecting some complicated shyt but if the dude just climbed on and humped, he is indeed terrible in bed.

The guy you are infatuated with is either a weak man who doesn’t understand courtship ritual (and based on your previous partner, perhaps you have found another one like your ex. Try and work out what is attracting you to guys who don’t know how to interact with women. Perhaps your father or brothers were similar, introverted perhaps? Poor communicators? These are just guesses.

the other possibility is, and just brace yourself for this because it’s going to hurt. Is that he doesn’t want you.

When you initiate and get rejected, it hurts. You are should searching for what you did wrong. Welcome to the world of male experience. This is 90% of dating for us.

So let us give you the correct advice we would give a brother in need. As others have said, move on as quickly as you can. That’s all you can do. And work on yourself.

the longer this stays in your mind the more you won’t leave it alone and it will eat you alive.

This is why I came here and 10 years on I’m married with a kid, and happy.

don’t get stuck in this whatever you do. It’s the black pit of death and cold and it consumes souls. Climb out sister.
I really feel like he is indeed similar to my ex. He seems like a prude. Ok, I admit I did bad at confessing that to him since he has a girlfriend but I really thought he was different, like more open minded and that I could talk to him about anything but I guess I was wrong.
 

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I really feel like he is indeed similar to my ex. He seems like a prude. Ok, I admit I did bad at confessing that to him since he has a girlfriend but I really thought he was different, like more open minded and that I could talk to him about anything but I guess I was wrong.
I also wanted to add that he’s spiritual so maybe he doesn’t like certain things and wants to be righteous all the time.
 

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Bear in mind, in the same way women can’t tell men how to attract them (90% of their advice to men is terrible), we might not be the best positioned to help you.

i don’t know if such forums exist for women, but there might be ones who can help you find happiness. There are female red pill threads on Reddit.

im not telling you to leave. I’m just saying, we aren’t the experts in attracting men.
The guy lives far away and is in an exclusive relationship. This juice is not worth the squeeze.
 

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I also wanted to add that he’s spiritual so maybe he doesn’t like certain things and wants to be righteous all the time.
So...if that's the case why would you think he would be good in bed? Those types of guys are usually into terrible boring missionary sex because it's "evil" to want to feel good. High chance he is probably worse than the guy you told him was bad in bed.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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OP, you're the woman that makes these suggestions/promises, the guy dumps his GF, you get together, and you get bored of him once you have him after about a month and dump him. Thus making the whole exercise pointless.

Regardless of what you may read on here, at 35, as long as you are an attractive female you have endless opportunities to find men. Do your friend a favor and stop tempting him and go find another man who isn't currently hitched.
 

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Stop playing games.

He got mad because you wasted his time. You dangled sex in front of him to get your free validation. You robbed this man of time. Time is precious to men that are actually worth something.

Leave him alone. If you actually wanted to fvck him, you should have been more direct about it and allowed it to happen.
This and only this. Next.
If you like a guy for more than sex, don't use sex to lure him, then pullback. That's just being a ****tease.
 
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Assuming OP is NOT a troll....

What you did was put the guy in an untenable position. You basically told him that you were a threat to his relationship. When he wanted to assess if your attention and intention was worth it through a video chat, you shut him down. You didn't give him a chance to process this new development. Of course he is going to get mad. It's like telling your neighbor he can buy your house but not telling him the price.

What you did was be a tease. You didn't fully commit to your desire.

I had a similar situation with a High School crush. 25 years later she tells me that she was going to ask me if we could "try and make something work" between us when I told her I'd become engaged . But she never did. Instead 20 years later she's divorced and losing her house with her family in shambles. I couldn't shut her out soon enough.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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OP, you have a morality problem. No wonder why he’s completely turned off. You apparently have no problem destroying his relationship. That’s pretty low.
Did I mention that I wanted to sleep with him or even get with him? I just shared a fantasy with him. Also, he’s the one who started this friendship with me. When we met, he was the one who started talking to me and trying to get to know me, with a girlfriend and everything!! He was messaging me before I shared my fantasy and didn’t stop me while I flirted.
Assuming OP is NOT a troll....

What you did was put the guy in an untenable position. You basically told him that you were a threat to his relationship. When he wanted to assess if your attention and intention was worth it through a video chat, you shut him down. You didn't give him a chance to process this new development. Of course he is going to get mad. It's like telling your neighbor he can buy your house but not telling him the price.

What you did was be a tease. You didn't fully commit to your desire.

I had a similar situation with a High School crush. 25 years later she tells me that she was going to ask me if we could "try and make something work" between us when I told her I'd become engaged . But she never did. Instead 20 years later she's divorced and losing her house with her family in shambles. I couldn't shut her out soon enough.
I get what you’re saying. I swear it wasn’t like that. Since he started messaging me, I felt like I had to be honest and tell him that I desired him in the past because honestly I couldn’t stop flirting with him so it was tempting. When he asked to video chat, I honestly wasn’t ready but since he started to get mad, I told him to please be patient. That someday maybe we could video chat. Then he started getting more mad and just shut me down. If he thinks I was playing, oh well… what can I do? And what was the rush anyway? Couldn’t he wait a little?
everyone here says I don’t have morals but he’s also the one who initiated talking to me and sending me messages. With a girlfriend and everything!
 

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Did I mention that I wanted to sleep with him or even get with him? I just shared a fantasy with him. Also, he’s the one who started this friendship with me. When we met, he was the one who started talking to me and trying to get to know me, with a girlfriend and everything!! He was messaging me before I shared my fantasy and didn’t stop me while I flirted.

I get what you’re saying. I swear it wasn’t like that. Since he started messaging me, I felt like I had to be honest and tell him that I desired him in the past because honestly I couldn’t stop flirting with him so it was tempting. When he asked to video chat, I honestly wasn’t ready but since he started to get mad, I told him to please be patient. That someday maybe we could video chat. Then he started getting more mad and just shut me down. If he thinks I was playing, oh well… what can I do? And what was the rush anyway? Couldn’t he wait a little?
everyone here says I don’t have morals but he’s also the one who initiated talking to me and sending me messages. With a girlfriend and everything!
This might be a woman...10 members explained ( man's-plained) why he got mad about the video call, yet (s)he makes another post purely from her own POV, not understanding what happened .

So he "starts the friendship" , so it's his fault ? You morally judge him for talking with you, yet you didn't stop him. Imo he's been correct all the way through by not escalating the situation.

And why the hurry? Why the patient is a better question. We men like to solve problems asap.He already felt like you were playing the typical woman's games. Asking for his undivided attention, and yet when he gives it you pull back without giving a clear time and date to talk about it. Not much different from being purposely unclear and being a tease. If he would post about you,I would tell him to RUN from you. You are toxic and willing to ruin his current LTR. Huge red flag. As other said as soon as he gives in to your advances you'll lose interest and dump him.

There's plenty of advice giving for you to form a decent opinion about the situation. Do we need to chew the food for you too now? Amazing how hypocritical women can be.
 
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lol, classic woman here. blames the guy for her problems and doesn't know when to shut up.

First she admits to having morality issues( I admit I did bad at confessing that to him since he has a girlfriend).

Then when the heat gets turned up she starts to shift blame to him and says (he’s the one who started this friendship with me. he was the one who started talking to me and trying to get to know me, with a girlfriend and everything!!He was messaging me before I shared my fantasy and didn’t stop me while I flirted.) Me, Me, Me, Me, Me, ME ME ME ME ME

Different day, different emotions I guess. Why they get a free pass on that I have no idea. No wonder why they all want strong men to keep their ship upright.

The older I get the more I see women as silly children and certainly not fit do be in leadership positions.

Its ok Browneyes, its not your fault he doesn't want you. He's a bad person, not you. You deserve something much better! ;)
 

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lol, classic woman here. blames the guy for her problems and doesn't know when to shut up.

First she admits to having morality issues( I admit I did bad at confessing that to him since he has a girlfriend).

Then when the heat gets turned up she starts to shift blame to him and says (he’s the one who started this friendship with me. he was the one who started talking to me and trying to get to know me, with a girlfriend and everything!!He was messaging me before I shared my fantasy and didn’t stop me while I flirted.) Me, Me, Me, Me, Me, ME ME ME ME ME

Different day, different emotions I guess. Why they get a free pass on that I have no idea. No wonder why they all want strong men to keep their ship upright.

The older I get the more I see women as silly children and certainly not fit do be in leadership positions.

Its ok Browneyes, its not your fault he doesn't want you. He's a bad person, not you. You deserve something much better! ;)
And she'll believe this is true when other women tell her this. And best believe, they will.
 

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And she'll believe this is true when other women tell her this. And best believe, they will.
It's kinda like blaming the refs for not spotting the ball soon enough when it's on the quarterback to get down sooner.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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