"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Hypogamy vs Hypergamy?

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Technically wouldn't dating down be as prevalent as dating up?

The idea of "girls only want an upgrade" doesn't make sense considering they're letting suboxone dealers nut in them and getting blacked out with drop-out thug boys. Well, low quality girls I mean.

Basically once you elevate yourself enough and increase your SMV, wouldn't you have to date down? Wouldn't every top-tier alpha be dating down anyway since all women are below him?

Is saying yes to girls that aren't 10s bad for your self-esteem?
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Technically wouldn't dating down be as prevalent as dating up?

The idea of "girls only want an upgrade" doesn't make sense considering they're letting suboxone dealers nut in them and getting blacked out with drop-out thug boys. Well, low quality girls I mean.

Basically once you elevate yourself enough and increase your SMV, wouldn't you have to date down? Wouldn't every top-tier alpha be dating down anyway since all women are below him?

Is saying yes to girls that aren't 10s bad for your self-esteem?
If your SMV is that high, you have to date down. I guess they just look at em like "fans" at that point.
 

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Technically wouldn't dating down be as prevalent as dating up?
Hypogamy. I think you're on to something here. There are a lot of complaints here about girls going after losers, hypogamy would explain it.

A girl might be hypogamous if she has poor self esteem, for example. She doesn't think she deserves a high value guy so she seeks out a low life that she feels comfortable with. Another phenomenon discussed here is when a girl wants to control the relationship, or have the most value in a relationship, she may want to date down in that circumstance also.

I completely agree, hypergamy does not cover every situation.
 

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Hypogamy. I think you're on to something here. There are a lot of complaints here about girls going after losers, hypogamy would explain it.

A girl might be hypogamous if she has poor self esteem, for example. She doesn't think she deserves a high value guy so she seeks out a low life that she feels comfortable with. Another phenomenon discussed here is when a girl wants to control the relationship, or have the most value in a relationship, she may want to date down in that circumstance also.

I completely agree, hypergamy does not cover every situation.
When we say "hypogamy", and guys thinking the females are dating "down"? Often enough that physically attractive female to the eye is part of a group of guys who may not be financially motivated, but were jocks or in the clique in school and they run with her. She dates guys who have made it good for themselves, but she associates and views herself of one of "them". She is a huntress. She's not dating down, she's dating her peers, the ones she affiliates with. You Mr Successful and financially well off are just a meal ticket.
 

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Women who marry for resources historically would dumpster dive - seek out younger guys, but only because they are more likely to have healthy children with them (a huge percentage of children are not fathered by the husband). They had less resources but better genes usually.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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So if I read you correctly, mrgoostuff and bigneil, you're saying that there is no situation when women date down? It's just an illusion? Can't say I agree, see my previous post.
 

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So if I read you correctly, mrgoostuff and bigneil, you're saying that there is no situation when women date down? It's just an illusion? Can't say I agree, see my previous post.
They don't view it as "dating down"... And many times the "hot babe" has no actual real standing other than her appearance. Her "peer" group is actually what you guys consider "dating down".

"Dating down" in my world would be a business woman or lawyer dating a barely employed guy, and kissing his a$$
 
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