"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Hypogamy vs Hypergamy?

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Technically wouldn't dating down be as prevalent as dating up?

The idea of "girls only want an upgrade" doesn't make sense considering they're letting suboxone dealers nut in them and getting blacked out with drop-out thug boys. Well, low quality girls I mean.

Basically once you elevate yourself enough and increase your SMV, wouldn't you have to date down? Wouldn't every top-tier alpha be dating down anyway since all women are below him?

Is saying yes to girls that aren't 10s bad for your self-esteem?
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Technically wouldn't dating down be as prevalent as dating up?

The idea of "girls only want an upgrade" doesn't make sense considering they're letting suboxone dealers nut in them and getting blacked out with drop-out thug boys. Well, low quality girls I mean.

Basically once you elevate yourself enough and increase your SMV, wouldn't you have to date down? Wouldn't every top-tier alpha be dating down anyway since all women are below him?

Is saying yes to girls that aren't 10s bad for your self-esteem?
If your SMV is that high, you have to date down. I guess they just look at em like "fans" at that point.
 

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Technically wouldn't dating down be as prevalent as dating up?
Hypogamy. I think you're on to something here. There are a lot of complaints here about girls going after losers, hypogamy would explain it.

A girl might be hypogamous if she has poor self esteem, for example. She doesn't think she deserves a high value guy so she seeks out a low life that she feels comfortable with. Another phenomenon discussed here is when a girl wants to control the relationship, or have the most value in a relationship, she may want to date down in that circumstance also.

I completely agree, hypergamy does not cover every situation.
 

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Hypogamy. I think you're on to something here. There are a lot of complaints here about girls going after losers, hypogamy would explain it.

A girl might be hypogamous if she has poor self esteem, for example. She doesn't think she deserves a high value guy so she seeks out a low life that she feels comfortable with. Another phenomenon discussed here is when a girl wants to control the relationship, or have the most value in a relationship, she may want to date down in that circumstance also.

I completely agree, hypergamy does not cover every situation.
When we say "hypogamy", and guys thinking the females are dating "down"? Often enough that physically attractive female to the eye is part of a group of guys who may not be financially motivated, but were jocks or in the clique in school and they run with her. She dates guys who have made it good for themselves, but she associates and views herself of one of "them". She is a huntress. She's not dating down, she's dating her peers, the ones she affiliates with. You Mr Successful and financially well off are just a meal ticket.
 

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Women who marry for resources historically would dumpster dive - seek out younger guys, but only because they are more likely to have healthy children with them (a huge percentage of children are not fathered by the husband). They had less resources but better genes usually.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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So if I read you correctly, mrgoostuff and bigneil, you're saying that there is no situation when women date down? It's just an illusion? Can't say I agree, see my previous post.
 

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So if I read you correctly, mrgoostuff and bigneil, you're saying that there is no situation when women date down? It's just an illusion? Can't say I agree, see my previous post.
They don't view it as "dating down"... And many times the "hot babe" has no actual real standing other than her appearance. Her "peer" group is actually what you guys consider "dating down".

"Dating down" in my world would be a business woman or lawyer dating a barely employed guy, and kissing his a$$
 
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