"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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How would you guys go about asking out a shop assistant?

Eternal_water

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At a supermarket.

I've seen her around a couple of times on nights out and got good IOI's. She served me at the till a few days back and I didn't realise it was her and was getting solid IOI's off her, more than just the required politeness.

I didn't realise it was her till I'd left.
So how would you ask out a shop assistant in her place of work?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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miketan70

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Would you like to go out with me sometimes? I know I am direct but honestly I would like to take you out:)
 

Chris80pitt

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Try to flirt a bit with her there. You will see how she will react and then call her out.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

Read more...

DragonBlood

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Seeing as you havent spoken to her... first open a brief open (one or two things said each) literally just to break the tension then follow "hey lets go out to dinner later, when do you get off?". React to her answers from there. The sooner you get to the point the better.
 

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Eternal_water said:
At a supermarket.

I've seen her around a couple of times on nights out and got good IOI's. She served me at the till a few days back and I didn't realise it was her and was getting solid IOI's off her, more than just the required politeness.

I didn't realise it was her till I'd left.
So how would you ask out a shop assistant in her place of work?
Be careful bro, she could be like that with EVERY guy. I've had a girl say "let's have sex" and I thought it was because I was so sexy and witty. Later I found out she is like that will all the guys.

Anyway, if you want to ask her out, don't go right in to it. Flirt a little and then say "Would you like to go for a coffee tomorrow?" It's not really that hard. And if you are having trouble initiating for a simple date, what are you going to do when things get physical?
 

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Tell her you'd like to go out and grab drinks sometime, and get her number. If shes interested she will give it to you.
 

mangotot

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Go to the shop and approach her when other people aren't around. She might feel uncomfortable giving you her number / agreeing to meet when other colleagues or customers are around.
 
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