"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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How many women would you like to date before settling into a LTR?

The_Reaper

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I am going to assume that most of the members here are planning to eventually find a quality woman and settle down with her. My question is, how many women would you ideally like to date before this? And also, my definition of date is not "meet for coffee a few times, end it a week later", I'm talking more long term, at least a couple of months.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Francisco d'Anconia

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Are you asking how many we'd like to lay before we settle down?
 

The_Reaper

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Are you asking how many we'd like to lay before we settle down?
Why sir, yes I am. But this doesn't include one-night stands, only semi-LTRs or LTRS.
 

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I think having a number like you suggest would be kind of rediculous. If I met a women well suited to myself tonight, would I sacrifice having a relationship with her because I'm on 11 instead of 12?

Forget about rules, know what you want and how to get it when you have the opportunity.

The_Reaper said:
I am going to assume that most of the members here are planning to eventually find a quality woman and settle down with her. My question is, how many women would you ideally like to date before this? And also, my definition of date is not "meet for coffee a few times, end it a week later", I'm talking more long term, at least a couple of months.
 

Francisco d'Anconia

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The_Reaper said:
Why sir, yes I am. But this doesn't include one-night stands, only semi-LTRs or LTRS.
Alright, now I'm intrigued. Why not include ONS? Does this have something to do with bedding women we somewhat care for but not care enough to commit to?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I ask myself that all the time. I don't know. I guess as many as it takes.
 

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As somewhat of a serial monogamist I can say that a LTR does not equal marriage. Nor does a marriage equal lifetime (dont have experience in that category yet though).

Having been in 4 LTRs (8 months +, and 3 having been 18 months +) I can say that the real person doesn't come out for the first month. The next month is the one where you can learn more and get to know whether you want to be with her or not. The third month is typically the one were you break up. Dont bother being serious until you've gotten past this third month, and even then another 9 months of dating can make you realize your in a bad spot.

Every girl gives you a chance to learn and that is what is important. If you're 21 and haven't meet a girl worth dating for 3 months you should consider looking to meet girls in different venues.
 

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dude, i think you are going about this all wrong.
no member on this board is going to come up with the same number and even if they did ....
how can you plan out life like that?

lets say your goal is date 10 women before you settle down with any for a ltr...

#1 acts like she likes you for two weeks and then says she is just your friend
#2 goes out with you but you don't find much chemistry there
#3 starts seeing you but before anything comes out of it, she takes her ex back
#4 goes out on one date with you and you find her to be too loud, too b*tchy and complainy
#5 is out on a date with you but you run into some of her buddies and they hang out with you all night, you find out she is not what you are looking for
#6 drank like a fish that night and slept with you that first night too
as great as that might sound, it leaves a bitter aftertaste the next day when you are wondering if she is always slu*ty like that
#7 turns out to be a workaholic
#8 turns out to have children
#9 you hit it off with and you really adore her. great person. but you can't settle down because you owe yourself one more for your "list"
#10 turns out to be a b*tch
so then you think now i can find one to settle down with
#11 plays head games
#12 is money hungry
#13 takes medication
#14 turns out to be a horrible lay

see... it makes completely no sense to play out to the number.

so i advise you to just go with your gut. if your gut says #9 is worth a shot at ltr... then do what you think and feel is right.

life, dating, it's all an experiment.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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8.

Now turn that 8 on its side.
 
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