freshstartin2008
Don Juan
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Wow, a THIRD of the forum hasn't gotten laid yet?!? I better stop asking for advice and GIVING it instead!
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
I think you're right. There is a bit of a glut of younger guys on here at the moment, including myself. I don't expect this to change for at least 6 more months - then a lot of good shiz will happen for me. I become an adult (how can you Americans not be allowed to drink till 21? How does your clubbing work?), I'll be entering a quite large university with few people I know (but the two I do is my best female friend and her bf, who is a fairly good mate and could be made into a decent wing), and I'll be a medic.Maxtro said:There is a huge difference between being a virgin at 16-18 than being a virgin at 30.
I would say that 90% of guys that lost their virginity did it between 16 and 20 or in High School or college.
I'm betting that most of the 30% who voted virgin are in High School or college and there is nothing wrong with that.
I do think that nobody should be a virgin at 25 unless they absolutely refuse to have sex. If they want to have sex and haven't had an opportunity and are 25 years old, something went wrong and they should just get hooker to correct life's mistake.
I lost my virginity to a hooker when I was 23 and within 6 months I had sex with two additional women that I met through unconventional means with women that I would normally not even consider. If I didn't go for the hooker I would never have had those experiences.
Maxtro said:I do think that nobody should be a virgin at 25 unless they absolutely refuse to have sex. If they want to have sex and haven't had an opportunity and are 25 years old, something went wrong and they should just get hooker to correct life's mistake.
One of the reasons that Americans don't drink until 21 is the problem of drunk driving. If 18 year old's could drink, the number of drunk driving incidents would skyrocket. I think the system is fine the way it is.Hughman said:I think you're right. There is a bit of a glut of younger guys on here at the moment, including myself. I don't expect this to change for at least 6 more months - then a lot of good shiz will happen for me. I become an adult (how can you Americans not be allowed to drink till 21? How does your clubbing work?), I'll be entering a quite large university with few people I know (but the two I do is my best female friend and her bf, who is a fairly good mate and could be made into a decent wing), and I'll be a medic.![]()
Eh, not quite. Robbing a bank is a felony. Getting a hooker is a victimless crime (I don't want to get into a topic about the sex trade and stuff.)DonJuan11 said:Fair enough. Analogy being if you want to be rich and haven't had the opportunity and you are 25 years old or older, something went wrong and you should just rob a bank to correct life's mistake.
Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.
I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.
Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules. Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.
Damn your culture has issues. To be fair though, alot of swanky bars and VIP clubs (typically gentleman's abodes [no, not strip clubs, proper old-school, cigar and whisky type places], and those that play jazz) have a 21+ policy.Maxtro said:One of the reasons that Americans don't drink until 21 is the problem of drunk driving. If 18 year old's could drink, the number of drunk driving incidents would skyrocket. I think the system is fine the way it is.
We have two types of clubs. 18+ and 21+. The 18+ clubs have a bar and they check your ID if you want a drink. The 21+ clubs simply don't let in anybody under 21.
That statement makes no sense. If drastic measures should be taken if somebody is 25 or older and hasn't had sex, then drastic measures should be taken if somebody is 25 or older and hasn't gone rock climbing, drank Coke, drove a car, watched a hockey game, had brunch, listened to music, been traveling, gone to school, etc, etc, etc.Maxtro said:My whole point is that if somebody is 25 or older and still a virgin, drastic measures should be taken. I don't really advocate hookers anymore but something has to be done, because leaving it up to fate is obviously not working.
And that is where you are wrong.That statement makes no sense. If drastic measures should be taken if somebody is 25 or older and hasn't had sex, then drastic measures should be taken if somebody is 25 or older and hasn't gone rock climbing, drank Coke, drove a car, watched a hockey game, had brunch, listened to music, been traveling, gone to school, etc, etc, etc.
You can't limit your thinking to sex because you want to. When you do that, then logic falls out the window in every other aspect or category in life.
This statement can be applied to anything in life. Listing other activities has everything to do with it.
This statement can be applied to anything in life. Listing other activities has everything to do with it.Maxtro said:My whole point is if somebody wants to have sex and they haven't had it by 25. It means that something went wrong. If they want sex they need to do something different.
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.