How Feminism Ruined Dating

[Zarky]

All right, for all those guys who hate feminism, how about we play a little game:

Let's all pretend that feminism never happened. What's different? How does a pickup go--from beginning to lay--that's different (and, of course, better) than it goes now?

Go for it. No feminism, women and men treat each other like they did back in 1948 (or maybe 1848 if that's what floats your boat). Give us a scenario as to how things are waaaay better for us guys.

I'm all ears.

 

[Boilermaker]

Zarky is right on the money.


Again.

15 years of experience with this stuff.

He can sense your wussy bitterness ten miles away.

Feminism didn't change sh!t. Remember: All feminists are ugly women anyway.

Nothing has changed. Since 5000 years .. Man up!

 

[MatureDJ]

Is it just me, or does this guy very much resemble our old friend George Soldini? I mean, this guy could be George's little brother!

He makes a lot of valid points, but it is obvious that it comes from a deep pit of sexual frustration. He is simply explaining why affluence, feminism, technology and the rise of the PUA has made women become hypergamous, such that betas such as himself are, to borrow a Youtube meme, a victim of true forced loneliness.

As as someone who has functionally relocated to Eastern Europe, I agree with the solution he described at the end.

 

[runner83]

Even if he may have had some valid points, I didn't pay attention since the guy was obviously so angry about women and hasn't been laid in a while.

A prime characteristic of beta chumps and other losers is that they blame their problems on everything and everyone but themselves.

Whereas winners are open to their weak points, know what they can change and put the work in to improve themselves.

Feminism hasn't ruined dating.

What has ruined dating (I don't agree it has been ruined) is the vast hordes of chumps out there who blindly go along with it, forgoing their own happiness in order just to please a woman.

Man up fellas.

Crying about how "bad" and "selfish" women are won't help you one bit, they are just looking for the best man out there.

Grab what is left of your shrivelled manhood, pull your shoulders back and keep moving forward to improve yourself.

Make your own happiness and don't try to get it from a woman.

 

[Jitterbug]

Anger in response to injustice is no vice.

A prime characteristic of feminists and maginas is the shaming of men who complain about the situation, although the complaint is legitimate. Feminists and maginas are unified in their cry of "Man Up!" and "Take it like a Man!", using men's resilient and stoic nature against themselves.

Men look at facts, not emotions. This man may be overly emotional to some, but that should not distract from his points. Judge him by the points he brings up, not his emotional state. Whether he's bitter about women or has not been laid in a while should not matter here. Only feminists, maginas and lawyers would bring that kind of things up in their attempt to silence and discredit the man.

I'm not exactly fond of a guy who complains about this sort of things, but I refuse to join the feminists and maginas in shaming and silencing him.

Regarding the topic, feminism has improved dating tremendously, IMO, at the huge expense of killing off relationship and marriage.

 

[Huffman]

All right, for all those guys who hate feminism, how about we play a little game:

Let's all pretend that feminism never happened. What's different? How does a pickup go--from beginning to lay--that's different (and, of course, better) than it goes now?

Go for it. No feminism, women and men treat each other like they did back in 1948 (or maybe 1848 if that's what floats your boat). Give us a scenario as to how things are waaaay better for us guys.

I'm all ears.

Excellent point! Even in the "good old times", the MAN was supposed to be responsible, approach the woman, pay for her, drive her around, take her out on interesting dates, do all the work.

It may be true that back then it was harder for a woman to refuse, but if anyone today can uphold the same ideals as the men from the 50s movies, he's gonna get laid. PLUS all the 50s movie men are super wealthy. PLUS in the 50s there was a severe "man shortage" in basically most countries, after the war!

People seem to forget that even back then, dating was loads of work. Just because James Bond makes it seem effortless, it never was. (Also, in the movies, even he uses money and blackmail to get sex on a regular basis).)

 

[Boilermaker]

I was thinking about the dire consequences of this impending doom of manhood and the perils of the feminist movement; but then I realized it's not my problem.

Only incompetent, bitter, fat, poor and unambitious men should worry about this. And that's why we hear the same story so many times. Unfortunately 95% of our brotherhood falls into that category. Don't be surprised by this, it is an artifact of nature's equilibrium mechanisms -- only a few precious men are destined to be alphas, anyway. No training program or internet forum can change it.

It's very similar to what happens on the other side -- beautiful and desired women do not need feminist tall tales to survive. That's why the bitterest of all feminists are coincidentally the ugliest ones.

Whenever I hear bouts of nostalgia about the good old days and the same stories of how everything changed with feminism and blah blah, I feel nauseated.

Because you look exactly like that fat, ugly feminist man-hater that you accuse, in the first place, of changing the rules of relationships.

It's not women that are at fault here. It is us. And the best way to cope with it is to ignore the easily self-contradictory dicta of feminism and to move forward.

Moaning about feminism means engaging their convoluted arguments and I am not willing to fight in the land of irrationality.

Let us focus on ourselves, stay positive and move forward.

 

[DanelMadr]

I was thinking about the dire consequences of this impending doom of manhood and the perils of the feminist movement; but then I realized it's not my problem.

Only incompetent, bitter, fat, poor and unambitious men should worry about this. And that's why we hear the same story so many times. Unfortunately 95% of our brotherhood falls into that category. Don't be surprised by this, it is an artifact of nature's equilibrium mechanisms -- only a few precious men are destined to be alphas, anyway. No training program or internet forum can change it.

It's very similar to what happens on the other side -- beautiful and desired women do not need feminist tall tales to survive. That's why the bitterest of all feminists are coincidentally the ugliest ones.

Whenever I hear bouts of nostalgia about the good old days and the same stories of how everything changed with feminism and blah blah, I feel nauseated.

Because you look exactly like that fat, ugly feminist man-hater that you accuse, in the first place, of changing the rules of relationships.

It's not women that are at fault here. It is us. And the best way to cope with it is to ignore the easily self-contradictory dicta of feminism and to move forward.

Moaning about feminism means engaging their convoluted arguments and I am not willing to fight in the land of irrationality.

Let us focus on ourselves, stay positive and move forward.

I wanted to write here, that I blame feminism for spoiling the girls (besides that feminism is political movement of communist demagogues) but I thought it over and even if that is true, well, I guess the freedom brings the best and the worst from people. And I can't blame someone for securing freedom and the consequence that some girls behave like arrogant men is probably better than to marry her and then realize it.

 

[JustWuzzle]

This guy made some great points I never thought of. Remember the "member" ready4success look her up. She said she was looking for her "soulmate". The feeling of love wears off. Now she is looking to find someone new. She will never find a man like me. My son will be raised by a single mom (she's keeping me away now). The next guy she thinks she loves will jet and she'll try to use my son to make the guy have feelings. This guy getting angry about this is good it shows he has a passion about things and he was right. 60 years ago it would be impossible for a woman to divorce a man because he broke a laptop or she wasn't happy. I was raised by a single mom and I'm nice to a fault now look were I am but I'm going to break the cycle starting with myself. My son is another story, wheter you agree with this man or not at least he's standing up for what he belives is true.

 

[Strelok]

Excellent point! Even in the "good old times", the MAN was supposed to be responsible, approach the woman, pay for her, drive her around, take her out on interesting dates, do all the work.

It may be true that back then it was harder for a woman to refuse, but if anyone today can uphold the same ideals as the men from the 50s movies, he's gonna get laid. PLUS all the 50s movie men are super wealthy. PLUS in the 50s there was a severe "man shortage" in basically most countries, after the war!

People seem to forget that even back then, dating was loads of work. Just because James Bond makes it seem effortless, it never was. (Also, in the movies, even he uses money and blackmail to get sex on a regular basis).)

I was thinking about the dire consequences of this impending doom of manhood and the perils of the feminist movement; but then I realized it's not my problem.

Only incompetent, bitter, fat, poor and unambitious men should worry about this. And that's why we hear the same story so many times. Unfortunately 95% of our brotherhood falls into that category. Don't be surprised by this, it is an artifact of nature's equilibrium mechanisms -- only a few precious men are destined to be alphas, anyway. No training program or internet forum can change it.

It's very similar to what happens on the other side -- beautiful and desired women do not need feminist tall tales to survive. That's why the bitterest of all feminists are coincidentally the ugliest ones.

Whenever I hear bouts of nostalgia about the good old days and the same stories of how everything changed with feminism and blah blah, I feel nauseated.

Because you look exactly like that fat, ugly feminist man-hater that you accuse, in the first place, of changing the rules of relationships.

It's not women that are at fault here. It is us. And the best way to cope with it is to ignore the easily self-contradictory dicta of feminism and to move forward.

Moaning about feminism means engaging their convoluted arguments and I am not willing to fight in the land of irrationality.

Let us focus on ourselves, stay positive and move forward.

Whatever you want guys,we're not talking about getting laid and no matter how alpha or cool you are if she wants to take your home and your son she's gonna take it with the help of the law.
If you piss her off and she accuse you of rape,go tell the judge that you're an alpha male and you should not judged by unfair laws.
This is not about sex and relationships,its about justice.

 

[Huffman]

Ok I guess we can all agree that law in America is pretty borked

 

[Poonani Maker]

I fart in the general direction of this video..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkp4t5NYzVM

"Women do 2/3rds of all the work in this world, yet receive 10% less than men"..give me a break. Women are in position "of work" that they've got no business being in. This is probably a great cause to the collapse of the world economy. I'm talkin' dock workers, shipping clerks, heavy equipment operators, being fielded by women, who in turn, don't want to get their hands dirty "because I'm a woman" no fvcking lie they've said that sh!t to me when it is Their job to "get their hands dirty" and the only reason they have the position that's normally a man's position is BEcause they are women. This goes for fighting wars in the military, developing strategy in the high ranks of business on and on and on. When's the last time a woman has ever developed some real and tangible STRATEGY (that everybody copies...that SHE made up) to defeat an real opponent besides in women's basketball or volleyball?

 

[samspade]

Lately I've realized that a lot of Americans have a mental historical dividing line regarding women - BF (before feminisim) and AF (after feminism).

I'd put the median (imagined) line at about 1970.

The narrative goes that women were wholesome and pious before science and law unleashed their inner *****s. Suddenly, women could behave and boink without shame, let alone the trappings of marriage. The story tells us that for men that meant two things - more free love, but more angry beeyotches. Some kind of Faustian bargain or something.

Come on - you don't think there were trashy skanks before the pill? No loud, arrogant, what feminists call "empowered" women in 1900 before they could even vote?

You don't think there are good, decent women out there today?

There are two rules that will long govern the sexual marketplace, regardless of divorce laws, birth control, glass ceilings, and hairy armpits:

1. Eggs are expensive, and
2. Sperm is cheap.

That's why "double standards" refuse to die.

 

[Tazman]

Women have always been women. Feminism wouldn't exist if it weren't for "technology" and the "options" it provided.

The reason they behave the way they do is because they can, not because they're evil or bad quality. It's simply because they're given the freedom to do so. This wasn't possible "back-in-the-day" because people were too busy trying to survive the best they could, which required the "cooperation" of women to maximize it.

If they didn't like it, well, they always had the option of just killing themselves. You appreciate things that don't come easy. Right now, men are not required for resources, atleast not directly. Obviously, we're the ones who truly make a dent in the world so they get what they need from us through taxes and court judgements. This support comes easy to them, so expecting them to be attracted to guys who are average, good natured providers is asking the impossible. It goes against nature.

You always hear about women having been oppressed and enslaved by men, but look at what happens when they're given freedom. They aren't men, never will be (well I can't say never), but they want the prestige and all the perks that come from male acheivement. I'm not saying you shouldn't give credit where it is due, whether it be a man or woman, but realistically there is a good reason why we are so different from each other.

Ultimately we are the reason why feminism has prospered.

 

[Damian]

This thread is awesome. A lot of resentment going around and a lot of it is quite justified.

It's my opinion that the consequences of feminism in the 70s has essentially leveled the playing field between genders. Gender roles have gone from one extreme to the other to the point where it's all so fuzzy, both sides are uncertain as to what the proper protocol is. Each approach is unique, even by the most minute amount. That is why inner game development is the true goal of being a Don Juan.

With the concepts of female empowerment and equal treatment, there have been pressures for women to break out of "traditional" gender roles. Whereas before, women would wait demurely for men to approach them and take them out to dinner and hold hands, the paradigm shift has now made that kind of behavior unacceptable. A girl can't just sit at home and wait for some gentleman to come knocking on her door asking her parents for permission to take her out to the faire.

Yes, being a guy is difficult. It seems that girls always have more options. You approach, they select. Simple supply vs demand.

However, being a girl ain't that easy either. The fact that guys are even approaching them at all means that they have to go through a similar vetting process. Sure, most of the time the criteria is simply physical appearance, but it is a selection process nonetheless. People who can naturally attract women are able to level the playing field by showing that they are increasing their selection thresholds through DHV's, negs, and generally showing that a woman has to meet YOUR standards as well.

To me, feminism has made dating much more exciting. It has opened up my eyes to the fact that most women are as clueless and insecure as any other AFC, even the most attractive 10's. There are so many pressures telling them that they are unattractive, too fat, talking too much or too little, being too forward or too passive. Even the ones who look like they know what they are doing are just ACTING.

Use this to your advantage!

 

[Burroughs]

guys feminism's roots got A LOT deeper than the 70s....most people believe the movement existed solely to liberate bored housewives..that is not the case. Dig deep folks you'll find some interesting things.

In order to attract as wide a base as possible, the sixties Leftists hid their socialist sympathies and, in some cases, actual Communist Party membership. Betty Friedan is a classic case. In the book that launched the modern feminist movement—The Feminine Mystique, published in 1963—she portrayed herself as a politically inactive housewife who simply had had enough of sexism. Forty years later, Friedan told the real story. In Life So Far, published in 2000, she recounts, “I would come into New York on my days off from the hospital [and] would go to Communist Front meetings and rallies … I looked up the address of the Communist Party headquarters in New York and … went into their dark and dingy building on 13th Street and announced I wanted to become a member.” This was in 1942, a quarter-century before she and a few others founded NOW. Friedan’s revelation that, while she may have been a bored and frustrated housewife, she had also been a member of the Communist Party, shed some much needed light on how left-wing politics have been masquerading as authentic feminism.

 

[DJDamage]

Hell the feminists just killed James Bond:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkp4t5NYzVM

F U Daniel Craig for being a part of this misandrist feminist propoganda.

 

[Jitterbug]

There is only one James Bond: Sean Connery.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Some of you guys are simply incapable of thinking outside of your own experience.

Virtually 100% of the twenty-somethings here have NO CLUE what the social climate was like in the 70s and early 80s.

News Flash, Einsteins:
You are brainwashed by the feminist educational system that you are a product of. You simply have no eyes to see beyond your own experience, which you take to be gospel truth. The media is feminized. Education is feminized. Your entire view of the world is feminized because YOU are a product, YOU are the handiwork of that corrupted system.

YOU are the end result.

I was in high school in the 70s and I can tell you that even though feminism was in its formative years, there was respect, a complete lack of flaking (it was utterly unheard of), a feeling of being fortunate (on the female's part) for being asked on a date, and a sense of personal responsibility, although far below ours. At least there was a semblance there.

It troubles me to see so many of you younger guys screaming "Misogony!" when you are so wet behind the ears you can't yet see beyond your own education. Hey when I was in my twenties I "knew" everything, too. The troubling part is the re-writing of history that some of you have gulped down hook, line, and sinker.

I suppose I would be just like you at 25 or so, having grown up in a feminized society the way you have. All I can hope is that a few of you can open up your minds just enough to listen to people who actually lived and were sexually active before you were even born. It is so easy for youth to dismiss and ridicule the wisdom of age, the very same wisdom that a percentage of youth will be espousing once you gain enough experience to break beyond the bounds of your education.

It only makes sense to find out from people who were actually there, and not so easily buy into what you were taught by a culture which has a VESTED interest in YOUR brain-washing.

Feminism was allowed and facilitated by the weakness of men, and the politicians' lust for votes. It was inevitable. Only education can start to turn the tide. Nature WILL normalize, but decades if not centuries of the so-called "gender war" will continue to at best make life very difficult in this arena and at worst destroy lives.

Remember, if you are about 35 or under, you yourself may just be an unwitting pawn in the game because you were born into it, were educated by it, and know nothing else. Therefore you spread the gospel of "women have always been this way" and you throw around your beloved word, "misogonyst". Still, I'm encouraged, because a few of you younger guys are able to see beyond your own experience.

This isn't about sitting around and ruminating about the good old days. No, it is EDUCATION. Discussions about the very real menace of feminism demonstrates to some of the younger guys that it is possible to be a part of real change.

 

[Jitterbug]

You don't have to be old like Atom Smasher to experience what he said firsthand. All you have to do is to travel to parts of the world that are not yet brainwashed by feminism and check out the women there.