I know this seems like a dumb question, but seriously, I have no idea where to look. Every guy I know is either in the same boat as I am, and has no good idea what the hell they're doing, or has a girlfriend/wife and won't go out. So where is the sort of place I should look?
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
How do I find a GOOD wing?
- Thread starter Das
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Ken785
Master Don Juan
...you become good yourself. A true DJ needs no wing.
The Mayor
Don Juan
Hi Das
I have the same problem. I have tried to find one in more than a year, but no luck so far.
I think one of the problems is that the information on sosuave is to a lot of people very controversial.
I'm trying to start a Boot Camp Working Group - and a post will appear on this forum when the moderators get time to accept it. You could look in to that.
The Mayor
[you have tried the wingman forum right?]
I have the same problem. I have tried to find one in more than a year, but no luck so far.
I think one of the problems is that the information on sosuave is to a lot of people very controversial.
I'm trying to start a Boot Camp Working Group - and a post will appear on this forum when the moderators get time to accept it. You could look in to that.
The Mayor
[you have tried the wingman forum right?]
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
The Mayor
Don Juan
Goog luck
Btw.
I'm totally new to posting on this forum how long does it normally take for a thread to appear?
Btw.
I'm totally new to posting on this forum how long does it normally take for a thread to appear?
ready123
Master Don Juan
yea whatever manKen785 said:
to the OP, whats your skill level? what are your sticking points? are you still working on fundamentals?
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
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Kentucky Fried Chicken has the best wings - try there!Das said:
Late reply--Busy week at work
Ready 123--I'm still at the fundamentals stage. I have confidence problems with women. STILL no progress ever, in any way. I have no idea what a good frame is like because I've never gotten anywhere.
It's not so much the wing I'm after, I want correction.
Amethyst-- How can I convert an AFC when I can't even get marginal success myself? I can't even really offer that I'll be able to help them as a wing to them.
I grasp the basics but I just can't get any interest.
Ready 123--I'm still at the fundamentals stage. I have confidence problems with women. STILL no progress ever, in any way. I have no idea what a good frame is like because I've never gotten anywhere.
It's not so much the wing I'm after, I want correction.
Amethyst-- How can I convert an AFC when I can't even get marginal success myself? I can't even really offer that I'll be able to help them as a wing to them.
I grasp the basics but I just can't get any interest.
ready123
Master Don Juan
Das, if you're working on fundamentals, all you need is a wing who has the same goals you do. a wing is not necessarily a mentor. it's a friend who aids you in the field. if you both suck, that's fine, as long as you guys are willing to support each other
go out of with a bunch of buddies to a club or a social environment and have fun trying to hit on girls. even if you all suck, at the very least, enjoy being out with the homies. don't pressure each other to the point where it's an ego thing, just set goals for each other on opening and talking to girls and if you get blown out, realize that 50% of the guys are too scared to try, so by approaching, you're already better than 50% of the guys out there.
at the beginning you're not gonna feel like you're going anywhere and it's gonna be frustrating, but the fact you're putting yourself out there will change you. think about what happened after teach night, try to figure out why you got blown out - even if you have no clue, make a guess. Slowly the "rules" of good game and social interaction will start to form in your head and become tangible. A year from now you might not be a pick-up guru, but you'll definately be a shadow of your formal self and it'll feel good
go out of with a bunch of buddies to a club or a social environment and have fun trying to hit on girls. even if you all suck, at the very least, enjoy being out with the homies. don't pressure each other to the point where it's an ego thing, just set goals for each other on opening and talking to girls and if you get blown out, realize that 50% of the guys are too scared to try, so by approaching, you're already better than 50% of the guys out there.
at the beginning you're not gonna feel like you're going anywhere and it's gonna be frustrating, but the fact you're putting yourself out there will change you. think about what happened after teach night, try to figure out why you got blown out - even if you have no clue, make a guess. Slowly the "rules" of good game and social interaction will start to form in your head and become tangible. A year from now you might not be a pick-up guru, but you'll definately be a shadow of your formal self and it'll feel good
Bible_Belt
Master Don Juan
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.