I know this seems like a dumb question, but seriously, I have no idea where to look. Every guy I know is either in the same boat as I am, and has no good idea what the hell they're doing, or has a girlfriend/wife and won't go out. So where is the sort of place I should look?
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
How do I find a GOOD wing?
- Thread starter Das
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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Ken785
Master Don Juan
...you become good yourself. A true DJ needs no wing.
The Mayor
Don Juan
Hi Das
I have the same problem. I have tried to find one in more than a year, but no luck so far.
I think one of the problems is that the information on sosuave is to a lot of people very controversial.
I'm trying to start a Boot Camp Working Group - and a post will appear on this forum when the moderators get time to accept it. You could look in to that.
The Mayor
[you have tried the wingman forum right?]
I have the same problem. I have tried to find one in more than a year, but no luck so far.
I think one of the problems is that the information on sosuave is to a lot of people very controversial.
I'm trying to start a Boot Camp Working Group - and a post will appear on this forum when the moderators get time to accept it. You could look in to that.
The Mayor
[you have tried the wingman forum right?]
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
The Mayor
Don Juan
Goog luck
Btw.
I'm totally new to posting on this forum how long does it normally take for a thread to appear?
Btw.
I'm totally new to posting on this forum how long does it normally take for a thread to appear?
ready123
Master Don Juan
yea whatever manKen785 said:
to the OP, whats your skill level? what are your sticking points? are you still working on fundamentals?
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
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Kentucky Fried Chicken has the best wings - try there!Das said:
Late reply--Busy week at work
Ready 123--I'm still at the fundamentals stage. I have confidence problems with women. STILL no progress ever, in any way. I have no idea what a good frame is like because I've never gotten anywhere.
It's not so much the wing I'm after, I want correction.
Amethyst-- How can I convert an AFC when I can't even get marginal success myself? I can't even really offer that I'll be able to help them as a wing to them.
I grasp the basics but I just can't get any interest.
Ready 123--I'm still at the fundamentals stage. I have confidence problems with women. STILL no progress ever, in any way. I have no idea what a good frame is like because I've never gotten anywhere.
It's not so much the wing I'm after, I want correction.
Amethyst-- How can I convert an AFC when I can't even get marginal success myself? I can't even really offer that I'll be able to help them as a wing to them.
I grasp the basics but I just can't get any interest.
ready123
Master Don Juan
Das, if you're working on fundamentals, all you need is a wing who has the same goals you do. a wing is not necessarily a mentor. it's a friend who aids you in the field. if you both suck, that's fine, as long as you guys are willing to support each other
go out of with a bunch of buddies to a club or a social environment and have fun trying to hit on girls. even if you all suck, at the very least, enjoy being out with the homies. don't pressure each other to the point where it's an ego thing, just set goals for each other on opening and talking to girls and if you get blown out, realize that 50% of the guys are too scared to try, so by approaching, you're already better than 50% of the guys out there.
at the beginning you're not gonna feel like you're going anywhere and it's gonna be frustrating, but the fact you're putting yourself out there will change you. think about what happened after teach night, try to figure out why you got blown out - even if you have no clue, make a guess. Slowly the "rules" of good game and social interaction will start to form in your head and become tangible. A year from now you might not be a pick-up guru, but you'll definately be a shadow of your formal self and it'll feel good
go out of with a bunch of buddies to a club or a social environment and have fun trying to hit on girls. even if you all suck, at the very least, enjoy being out with the homies. don't pressure each other to the point where it's an ego thing, just set goals for each other on opening and talking to girls and if you get blown out, realize that 50% of the guys are too scared to try, so by approaching, you're already better than 50% of the guys out there.
at the beginning you're not gonna feel like you're going anywhere and it's gonna be frustrating, but the fact you're putting yourself out there will change you. think about what happened after teach night, try to figure out why you got blown out - even if you have no clue, make a guess. Slowly the "rules" of good game and social interaction will start to form in your head and become tangible. A year from now you might not be a pick-up guru, but you'll definately be a shadow of your formal self and it'll feel good
Bible_Belt
Master Don Juan
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.