history lessons

[iqqi]

part of me wonders how much we as men really like women and how much of it is we like to f*ck women.

I am so glad you said this. I think my next post will tackle this head on.

 

[joekerr31]

Well you are little pvssys! It is sad!

[joekerr dawns his steve irwin voice and turns on his camcorder...]

krickey mate, its one of those rare human females. watch how she attempts to intimidate the human males. no matter how much sense they throw at her, she strikes back with emotional insults. look how she tries to pull them down into the venomous world of female emotions.

bloody hell mate, she almost got one, did you see that. look at those eyes. not one once of reason in those eyes there mate, nothing but pure shallowness and emotional turbulence.

oh oh, looks like her tactics are starting to work. she just called the men p*ssies. but its ok mate, she knows she's safe doing that because she's not face to face with them. if she had tried that tactic in real life, good chance one of the males would have knocked her two front teeth out.

well, it looks like most of the males are on to her tactics and aren't going to get trapped by her emotional strategies this time.

join us next week as we track through the jungles of sosuave in search of the elusive and perhaps mythical quality woman.

 

[iqqi]

^^funny almost

oh oh, looks like her tactics are starting to work. she just called the men p*ssies. but its ok mate, she knows she's safe doing that because she's not face to face with them. if she had tried that tactic in real life, good chance one of the males would have knocked her two front teeth out.

but i bet you would hit a woman. I bet you think there are good reasons to.

 

[joekerr31]

^^funny almost

but i bet you would hit a woman. I bet you think there are good reasons to.

ive never hit a woman in my life. and never will.

to be honest, if we were face to face and you called me a p*ssy, it would be the last thing you ever call me, becuase i'd have nothing to do with you after that.

and i will admit, if we were face to face and you called me a p*ssy id WANT to beat the sh*t out of you, but i wouldn't. just like id want to beat the sh*t out of a man who called me a p*ssy. in the male world you pay a price for the things you say - which is why women are so immature often because in the female world you don't.

one again, nice try at trying to get me riled up, but all you're doing is showing how sad your thought process is.

 

[iqqi]

ive never hit a woman in my life. and never will.

to be honest, if we were face to face and you called me a p*ssy, it would be the last thing you ever call me, becuase i'd have nothing to do with you after that.

Aren't you sensitive.

Well I really think alot of you could have used an older brother calling your a$$es out like I do sometimes, maybe you wouldn't have grown up to be such... mmm... AFC's. There, is that better, you like your insults sugar coated, darling? Iq can give it to you sweet.

 

[Interceptor]

iqqi, you are plain, flat out wrong that I am prejudiced about yuo and women. That's a baseless asumption. But that's ok, I know you're angry. Like Penny said everyone has "bad days".
You're probasbly feeling defensive too, understood.

And I kept my post intact after your reply, I wrote it before I saw your reply to keto.
I did that intentionally.
I just wanted to keep the opinion intact, that;s all. You know very well there's no personal attack toward you at all. This is plainly obvious.

Second, my comment on your comment is not condescending in any way, it simply shows my disappointment that you truly feel that way.
I'm gald you show your vies on it, by saying it is chivalroyus, etc. I 'm glad you feel like that,.
However, the point remains why woudl you adress something you deem honorable, and civilized in such a demeaning way?

"Men love that sh*t".


Iqqi, c'mon.

Some men do act chivalrous. Some men don't.
For the ones that do, there should be appreciation and respect for doing so, and respect for their character. Don't you agree?

Acting chivalrous and honorable and getting no appreciation, not even a "thank you" is not nice. I don't think it's wrong to be disappointed when another person doesn't even acknowledge what one does a favor or something and doesn't even get a thank you.
And I didn't say you dont thank people for doing so. It's just that it seems like you speak as they say "out of both sides of your mouth", or "with forked tongue".
That's all.



Now, I may agree that some aspects of the site are indeed condescending, but it's not the site itself, it is certain particpants of the site. I agree that there is anti femenine mixed in with anti femenist in here. That is true.

I still don't agree with your viewpoint of putting your comment and my comment context with ths site. I don't see where you're going with that.

And you are right "To each is own".

You know what that's called?

The Art of Allowing.

We have to be more than tolerabnt of others people, we have to allow them to create thoer experiences, their own world. We cannot dictate to others anything.
That's not allowing.
But hopefully some peopl ewil see just how imperative it is to have a positive attitude and create an environement where negative people do not even enter your world.
And if by soem chance they do, you will hopefully deal with it from the standpoint of allowing.
And deal with accordingly.

OK, enough.

thanks for reading this.

 

[joekerr31]

Aren't you sensitive.

Well I really think alot of you could have used an older brother calling your a$$es out like I do sometimes, maybe you wouldn't have grown up to be such... mmm... AFC's. There, is that better, you like your insults sugar coated, darling? Iq can give it to you sweet.

hahaha.

let me tell ya, and this holds true for about 85% of all women, if hitting a woman were legal women wouldn't say half the stuff they do.

you see it all the time at the bars. women just go off and rip on a guy, because they know they are in a public place where she can say whatever she wants and nothing will happen to her.

and you know what 90% of the guys are thinking to themselves as they watch her do this? they are looking at the guy thinking "do it dude. just smack her. just knock her right out. come on."

but alas, the guy never does cuz he doesn't want to spend the night in jail.

but i'd be willing to bet in situations such as those if some guy did cold **** her that most of the guys in the bar would applaud afterwards.

and once again, the only reason women can get away with the sh*t they do is cuz other guys will protect them - they know the only reason they can misbehave is cuz other men will come to their rescue. women benefit only by pitting men against men. its their only real tactic.

 

[Nighthawk]

Hmmm... I would give you an example, however that was not my point actually.

How convenient. We all believe you.

Well you are little pvssys! It is sad!

And to further relate, I don't know many "quality" women who would really be serious about you. Which could explain your hopelessness regarding women!

Tell that to my gf sitting next to me who is more intelligent, mature and beautiful than you (unless you're an 11 and just pretending to be dense).

 

[iqqi]

iqqi, you are plain, flat out wrong that I am prejudiced about yuo and women. That's a baseless asumption. But that's ok, I know you're angry. Like Penny said everyone has "bad days".
You're probasbly feeling defensive too, understood.

I am not having a bad day. I ASSUMED that you PREJUDGED me because you said yourself:
Iqqi, the impression I got was that you don't even say a "Thank you" to the guy. That's just my impression.

That seems like an assumption based on what? Hmmm....

Also I do not feel defensive or angry on this site, it never elicits any strong emotion from me. However sometimes I do get frustrated that there are people as petty and low as some of the men on this site.

Second, my comment on your comment is not condescending in any way, it simply shows my disappointment that you truly feel that way.

I did not say anything about your comment being condescending. I feel that you guys cannot read!

It is condescending when you say things like "Iqqi are you having a bad day" and "iqqi why are you so angry"

when I am not. It means once again you are assuming sh!t and that is condescending and rude.

 

[iqqi]

I think it is funny that you all keep hanging on my every little insult and not my actual points. Who is the girl here? You are disappointing me. Where is your logic? Your counterpoints?

Like why do EACH of you take every comment I say to mean YOU exactly. Its sad. If it doesn't apply to you, it shouldn't bother you!?

 

[Interceptor]

Iqqi, I'm not getting anywhere with this, It seems like you are defensive.
This just seems like flaming, and I think this thread is only going to get derailed and locked.
And I don't want to do that to Penny.

I apologize. I never even intended to be condescendng, rude, or offensive. I was disappinted. OK?
If I said something like wise negative about you or women, you'd be disappointed too, wouldn't you? You would adress it too?
"Hey Interceptor, what you said about women is not cool. Why did you say such a mean thing?"


I had my reasons for bringing up that one comment. That was the main thing I had contention with. That's all. I did read your replies, the only thing that stuck out to me the most was that comment, ok?


You can assume things about me too, Iq. But I'm not angry at you.
And I know that your are prejudicing me too and assuming things too.

You want to call it even? Forget about it?
Or do you want to clear things up?


Let me know. Thanks.


Take care, and have a nice day.

 

[Tazman]

iqqi, you are plain, flat out wrong that I am prejudiced about yuo and women. That's a baseless asumption. But that's ok, I know you're angry. Like Penny said everyone has "bad days".
You're probasbly feeling defensive too, understood.

I'm surprised you're actually trying to have a serious discussion with this chick, at some point you have to realize it's pointless. I think this is also an example of how we tend to make concessions for them because they're women.

That's one thing I'll give women, they are experts at getting you so mad you want to hit them like they were men. However, the only time I'd hit a woman is if she attacked me, which I've done, and I can't tell you how satisfying it was that I got away with it (the ***** hit me with a wooden pole on my head and thought I wouldn't do anything because of all the people that were around, and all this was over a stupid argument......Men aren't the only ones with a violent streak.).

[joekerr dawns his steve irwin voice and turns on his camcorder...]

This was good, but the part that made me laugh the most was that she thought you were simply trying to be funny and rather than challenge it she deviates from it entirely and says:

but i bet you would hit a woman. I bet you think there are good reasons to.

There are actually good reasons to, sometimes (see above).

 

[penkitten]

But let's try to keep a positive, growth oriented perspective on this.
IDK I just get this angry feleing from this thread, adn IMHO it really shoudln't be that way.

interceptor, i am sorry that you got such an angry feel from this thread. i was hoping that history could be talked about maturely, but as soon as i posted the thread, i felt like i shouldn't have.
the mature man board should be filled with things of all substances, an discussed with an open mind.

if another member had written a thread about the history of men, i would be right there with them replying about how there are a lot of men these days who do not want to work and be responsible, and i think that it stems from the fact that since the dawn of time they have been put out in a field to work day in and day out until the day they died or sent off into battle before they were even old enough to understand what the battle was for, and that over time some men feel like they do not have to work anymore and should be compensated for what they have overcome. i believe that for centuries men have let the women raise their children while they worked and went to war and they missed out on so much, and then over time, a lot of guys were being raised in households without a father that they are now willing to become stay at home dads just to change the dynamics of father/child relationships.

i just wanted to bring up some things that have turned the women gender into what it is now.

but from the get go,it appeared that i had a mature man , whom is older that me, telling me that if it didn't help him land a co ed girl, his sister's friend or some girl at the bank in bed, then i shouldn't have written it. that is when i realized that he didn't care at all about learning about women to understand them and that he just wanted to learn how to seduce them.
well, to each their own.

 

[Phyzzle]

Iqqi, why can't you be nice and submissive like Penkitten?

But really guys, Iqqi is not saying that men SHOULD be chivalrous, or help her out, or give her a cigarette when she asks. She is simply saying that they DO. Big difference.

For example:

I must say I was a bit taken a back with your "Men love that sh*t" comment.

And yet men DO love that sh*t. So stop being taken aback.

She's just making fun of you guys for overreacting. And I can see her point of view. Comparing the acceptance of a favor from an attracted guy to having a twisted sense of entitlement is an overreaction.

 

[Interceptor]

Because she feels that I'm not taking her seriously.
And becaseu I guive her the respect as a foorum member in here, I do.
But she just thinks Im an *******. Oh well.
I was trying to see if she was fgoing to adress my issue, whic was that comment she made. But then she started into personal attacks on me.
She was feeling defensive and retaliatory, she didnt want to admit it to us. But I do agree that there was a little negativity to penny and her, and she didn't take to it well, I don't blame her.
Anyway, I apologized so the ball is in her court.

She got nasty with joeker, whoim I respect too. But I think it was just that she was feleing defensive. Women aren't always treate dwell in here.
Iqqi and penny usually have something good to say and interesting viriewpoints. I think sll their serious posts adressing our issuess are good, and I take them into consideration.

All the girls here offer at least soemthing insightful to many degrees. And beign women maybe sometimes they don't feel they get the respect they feel they deserve. Hey man, I understand that.
But I think that any woman in here has to know if they get pissy in here, it just won't go over well. I mean, it's the truth.
What if the situation were reversed?
If any guy started disagreeing with waht the women said they would get pissed too.
Same thing here.
A lot of guys have serious issues with women. And....well........it seems that at least some guys haven't gotten over the negatives.
And the girls are seeing it firsthand. It's like they're on the receiving end of all the indignities and offenses the guys have suffered. Sometimes, not all the times. But yeah,..sometimes. You can see it.
But hey, we can't control each other. We can only try to be supportive and hope that our buddies and the girls get along. At least that;s how I feel.


Seriously.
We really need to learn how to get along. Disxcussin is discussion, personal attacks is NOT "discussion".
That's why iqqui said somethign that to the effect of guys in here having this attitude with girll, that no wonder they have problems IRL. Now, I don't want to assume anything.



Hey, anyway, I just had a lovely day. I'm actually in a great mood. And life is beautiful for me right now.:rock:
I just got kind of got that "sour" look on my face after seeing the Iq's comment.
LOL.
:crackup:
Oh well..

 

[joekerr31]

Iqqi, I'm not getting anywhere with this, It seems like you are defensive.

I apologize. I never even intended to be condescendng, rude, or offensive. I was disappinted. OK?

You want to call it even? Forget about it?
Or do you want to clear things up?

Let me know. Thanks.

Take care, and have a nice day.

never apologize.

i know you're just trying to be a stand up guy and be mature and get everyone to behave maturily also, and thats cool, but don't apologize to her. all it does it let her know 'ya, you can behave like a little spoiled brat and there will always be some guy there ready to cut you slack. heck, he'll even start by apologizing to you (even though he doesnt really think he has anything to apologize for)"

maybe im being a bit to one sided, but apologizing to women is pointless, they don't appreciate it. in fact, (although not in this scenario) see you apologizing as them winning - they often blow things up so that you get mad just so that you apologize to them (thats how they feel like they have power).

anyway, iqqi doesn't deserve an apology from anyone - she flamed this thread and whatever she gets is her own doing.

 

[aliasguy]

Penkitten wrote:

"but from the get go,it appeared that i had a mature man , whom is older that me, telling me that if it didn't help him land a co ed girl, his sister's friend or some girl at the bank in bed, then i shouldn't have written it. that is when i realized that he didn't care at all about learning about women to understand them and that he just wanted to learn how to seduce them.
well, to each their own."

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I didn't want your help on seducing those chicks, I already HAVE. (Except my sister's friend, but she's next.)

My point was that ancient history DOESN'T apply to guys in the world now(with regard to interacting with women). We all (men and women) are living in the modern world, and you yourself wrote that things were DRASTICALLY different then (emphasis mine.)

It's hard enough for many/most men to get their heads around modern male-female interactions and the intricacies therein - - - how is piling on an analysis of Roman sexual politics gonna help?

Most of us are not philosophers or historians.
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[Colossus]

most of the points on this thread from you guys are STOOOPID.

Perhaps the great iqqi could enlight us all on what STOOOPID isnt.

Perhaps this WOMAN could enlighten us on what it takes to be a MAN.

After all, shes cute, female, and 100 lbs-ish. We love that sh!t, right?!?

A drunken q and a session?! OMG!!! Shes drunk AND shes a woman!!!

Guide us, Oracle, GUIDE US!!!

Seriously, guys.

Here is a woman who loves attention and contention, and she knows exactly how to get it.

Emasculative insults, emotionally charged tangents, and thread-derailing by engaging in verbal p!ssing contests and pushing buttons.

...But wait, thats what she does..shes IQQI, right?!?

Refrain from responding to her or engaging her baited insults she WILL go away. Like a horse in search of water.


Penkitten, you have class and it always shows in the way you interact with others. Good topic.

 

[Interceptor]

Iqqi, why can't you be nice and submissive like Penkitten?

But really guys, Iqqi is not saying that men SHOULD be chivalrous, or help her out, or give her a cigarette when she asks. She is simply saying that they DO. Big difference.

For example:


And yet men DO love that sh*t.

:crazy:

So stop being taken aback.

She's just making fun of you guys for overreacting.

WHAT??!! You think this is a good thing?? Hello??

And I can see her point of view. Comparing the acceptance of a favor from an attracted guy to having a twisted sense of entitlement is an overreaction.

WOW, Phyzzle.

Pretty broad brush you got there, huh?

No, Phyz, men do not LOVE that sh*t. Men do it in the right circumstances, for the right reasons.
It's not about "love". As if it were a hobby or passion.

Bad choice of words.


Men, do that because of the compassion they possess for a person they see in need. Real MEN possess character, and a senes of fairness and justice. Real men naturally feel compassion for those who are in need. They help becasue this what strong, real men do.

And that shoudl NEVER be taken advantage of , or mocked with a below the belt type of comment.


To be taken advantage of is not seomthing to be proud of, or to be made fun of. Or to be justified.
My issue with her comment was that if she thought it was a good, clasy, and chivalrous thing to do, then why woudl she make a comment like that??
It makes me feel like she doesn't really believe it in the end.
And it is not wrong or improper to feel taken advante of if someone doesn't truly appreciate the help or favor you are doing for them.
I never wrote anything abnout getting back some reward, like a sexual favor, as payment or gratitude.
I'm only adressing the uissue of when it is done genuinely, and genuinely is the only thing I do, and advocate.



Doing it for it to be reciprocated by sexual favors is not what I'm adressing here.

I was taken aback by Iq's comment because it IS condescending.

Anyway, I was responding to the way I saw it.

If you know her better, and are sure of what she was implying, then , great! Case closed.

Move on.

 

[ketostix]

Iqqi should be the one apologizing. I'm not going to argue with a worthless person like her. She contradicts herself, and attacks everyone personally whenever they disagree with her posts. Does anyone here really believe she appreciates anything a guy does or that she does anything for any guy when all we've seen her do is attack, insult and aggravate guys here? But I'll tell you this much, her behavior and mentality exemplifies best all the things we complain about in women. Yeah Iqqi, I'm attacking you and your behavior now! I'm calling it as I see it. I can't imagine any guy being a big enough loser to put up with an attitude like hers. But you know what's sad? Probably there's an unlimited supply of guys that will.