"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Handsiness and age

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I mentioned on a recent post that older broads have generally been much handsier with me than younger broads.

I suppose the topic warrants its own discussion.

Has anyone else noticed the same pattern? Or have younger broads been handsier in your experience?
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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That's interesting to hear your experience has been the same as mine. I think I recall another poster saying the opposite.
This happens to me, usually at work, heh. It's more of a case by case thing, imo. Younger women tend to be more bashful the older I get.
 

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This happens to me, usually at work, heh. It's more of a case by case thing, imo. Younger women tend to be more bashful the older I get.
Four years ago, I trained a handsy 60 year old woman.

And then there's currently a handsy woman in her 60s at a different company in my office building.

A female customer I'd estimate was in her 40s rubbed my back at a store where I used to work.

A 60-ish woman in my condo building has acted handsy with me right in front of her husband.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Four years ago, I trained a handsy 60 year old woman.

And then there's currently a handsy woman in her 60s at a different company in my office building.

A female customer I'd estimate was in her 40s rubbed my back at a store where I used to work.

A 60-ish woman in my condo building has acted handsy with me right in front of her husband.
Isn't that gay? To look forward to an older woman being handsy with you. I mean, women of that age have hands that are more masculine than the hands of guys who are 40yrs old and younger. :rolleyes:
 

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You know why? Because a sixty-year-old woman doesn't give an airborne copulation about being sloot-shamed. Quite the opposite, she only improves her reputation as a man-eater giving young men like you an erection.


Why is this autistic observation the subject of a thread on a seduction forum?


No, not really.


It's not a 'pattern', unless you disregard the psychological notion that older people care less about the opinions of the masses, so where young women might care about how they are viewed by society, the old biddies don't give a crap anymore about how they are perceived.


Everyone here under sixty has traumas from drooling old grandmas wanting to slobber them, so while they welcome the 'handsiness' of younger women, they tend to avoid your 'broads' for that same intimacy. Plus, whereas you obviously get excited about 'older women', most of the members here, no matter how thirsty and desperate, will not get aroused from the touch of senior citizens.

Really, dude, no matter how you package this abnormal desire of yours, it will never be acknowledged as normal behaviour.
Handsiness could be viewed as an IOI. The topic of a woman's handsiness most certainly fits on a seduction forum.

Interesting how you make it sound like senior citizens are gross when you yourself look like a senior citizen.
 

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Isn't that gay? To look forward to an older woman being handsy with you. I mean, women of that age have hands that are more masculine than the hands of guys who are 40yrs old and younger. :rolleyes:
A woman's touch feels feminine even if she's older (I would know)

Yeah, her hands look older as she ages. But that says nothing about how her touch feels.
 

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I mentioned on a recent post that older broads have generally been much handsier with me than younger broads.

I suppose the topic warrants its own discussion
No it doesn't. You're one of a handful of 33 year olds on this planet who's hellbent on bedding near/post menopausal women. Your energies will be more well-spent ridding yourself of that fixation
 

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Isn't that gay? To look forward to an older woman being handsy with you. I mean, women of that age have hands that are more masculine than the hands of guys who are 40yrs old and younger. :rolleyes:
GM has stated elsewhere that folks in RL have, more than once, mistaken him for gay
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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You're one of a handful of 33 year olds on this planet who's hellbent on bedding near/post menopausal women. Your energies will be more well-spent ridding yourself of that fixation
This is true. The only way he could rid himself of that fixation is through mental health therapy (likely a combination of medication and talk therapy sessions). He would have to choose to seek the appropriate care for that.
 

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Four years ago, I trained a handsy 60 year old woman.

And then there's currently a handsy woman in her 60s at a different company in my office building.

A female customer I'd estimate was in her 40s rubbed my back at a store where I used to work.

A 60-ish woman in my condo building has acted handsy with me right in front of her husband.
The type of handsiness you're describing isn't especially sexual. It's the sort of casual affection women of all ages in Anglo culture have always enjoyed carte blanche on. Same way there's less stigma in Anglo culture around women using terms of endearment("baby", "babe", "love", "honey")towards total strangers
 

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I mentioned on a recent post that older broads have generally been much handsier with me than younger broads.
Makes sense. More experience = less inhibition.
 

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No it doesn't. You're one of a handful of 33 year olds on this planet who's hellbent on bedding near/post menopausal women. Your energies will be more well-spent ridding yourself of that fixation
My fixation is rooted in a phobia that's not going anywhere.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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The type of handsiness you're describing isn't especially sexual. It's the sort of casual affection women of all ages in Anglo culture have always enjoyed carte blanche on. Same way there's less stigma in Anglo culture around women using terms of endearment("baby", "babe", "love", "honey")towards total strangers
Umm, isn't handsiness (and affectionate behavior in general) most common in Latin cultures?
 

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I’m not sure. I haven’t had many experiences with 60-year-olds who aren’t family.

That said, the principle remains the same—if they’re attracted to you, they’ll casually get close, even putting their breasts against your arm, nonchalantly.
 

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Umm, isn't handsiness (and affectionate behavior in general) most common in Latin cultures?
Re-read what I said: In Anglo culture, women generally get more latitude on this front than men do. Obviously, this isn't the case everywhere else on the planet
 

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My fixation is rooted in a phobia that's not going anywhere.
Yes, because you are desperate to hold onto this like a beggar holds onto his last dollar.

Why? Who knows. I'd be working OT to overcome it...you'd rather just give up


You refuse to address it by refusing to seek some combination of talk therapy and medication from mental health professionals.

One might think that getting 20 something year old prime pussie would be enough of a motivation to take action to fix the problem.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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