escaleraroyal
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Elaborate pls
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Got kicked out of supermarket
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- Start date
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Bokanovsky
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You joined in 2008 and have 374 posts, so I'm assuming you are not a troll.
Do you really not see how it's weird to approach random people with a line about chicken wings at Costco? The woman probably thought you had mental issues.
WanderingMan
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lol'd numerous times on this thread
What's the typical response, OP? I'm trying to put myself in her shoes and can't really imagine what she would be thinking.
She probably thought O.P. was a "vegetable" himself.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
escaleraroyal
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Thanks guys for the input
WanderingMan
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Seriously, have you really used that opener and it's worked? Trying to understand.
Atom Smasher
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Girls like men who eat beef.
escaleraroyal
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Yes, it has. Multiple times.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
WanderingMan
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how do they respond? Can you provide a few examples?
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Strange. Creepy. Odd. Mentally ill. Unstable.
Those are the descriptors that enter my mind...especially if you are smiling while saying this nonsense.
Imaginary friend? Potentially dangerous...off base...
That's how it would come off to a chick. Good looking women who stand out deal with an outrageous amount of really creepy behavior.
Much better strategy (should work well in Costco) would be:
"Hi. Do you happen to know where the peanut butter is in here? I can never find anything..."
You're welcome.
ChristopherColumbus
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At a supermarket? Want an opener? Get a can opener off the shelf, and ask her if she knows how it works?
Atom Smasher
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escaleraroyal, is this in North America, or in another country? I get a vibe it's another county and I'm guessing English isn't your primary language? I may be wrong... just a hunch. How old are you by the way?
I think a more effective approach is to mention something that's more immediate to your surroundings, something that is more relatable to her.
"You remind me of Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz the way you're holding that basket"
"Looks like you're making something delicious for dinner tonight! May I come over?"
Things like that.
One tip I posted a couple years ago that is nuclear is my "Don't Look" approach. When you see a woman looking around on a shelf at the store, look around next to her and say something like "They always stop carrying the things that I like" or anything else that has to do with shopping. They key is to NOT look at her and to say it as if you're saying it to a guy. This comes across as very non-threatening to her, plus it's easy for a man to do. I am the inventor of this technique and require $1.00 sent to my PayPal account every time it's used, and that goes for all of you reading this!
But seriously, try the "Don't Look" approach. It is amazingly effective and easy to build upon. If you approach more directly, talk about something that is going on around you, not something you did before. That screams out "Pickup" and it also shows a simplistic and contrived way of doing it. If you talk about something that is in your immediate surroundings, it shows that you can think on your feet.
I think a more effective approach is to mention something that's more immediate to your surroundings, something that is more relatable to her.
"You remind me of Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz the way you're holding that basket"
"Looks like you're making something delicious for dinner tonight! May I come over?"
Things like that.
One tip I posted a couple years ago that is nuclear is my "Don't Look" approach. When you see a woman looking around on a shelf at the store, look around next to her and say something like "They always stop carrying the things that I like" or anything else that has to do with shopping. They key is to NOT look at her and to say it as if you're saying it to a guy. This comes across as very non-threatening to her, plus it's easy for a man to do. I am the inventor of this technique and require $1.00 sent to my PayPal account every time it's used, and that goes for all of you reading this!
But seriously, try the "Don't Look" approach. It is amazingly effective and easy to build upon. If you approach more directly, talk about something that is going on around you, not something you did before. That screams out "Pickup" and it also shows a simplistic and contrived way of doing it. If you talk about something that is in your immediate surroundings, it shows that you can think on your feet.
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This is the truth. To her, she was sexually harassed.
If he were a muscular millionaire, she would write it as friendly flirting.
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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
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OP, she didn't find you attractive. When a woman finds you unattractive, she labels everything you do and say as such.
Conversely, when she does find you attractive, suddenly your ability to unlock every achievement on NBA 2K17 and Madden is sexy to her.
Hey, when I was in college, chicks thought I was sexy even though I either drove my Nissan Sentra or Dodge Intrepid. This was in 2004 when I had some popularity. I even got girls' numbers while playing my Game Boy Advance.
zekko
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That's what Mystery did, though.
WanderingMan
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not really though, what he said had some purpose or end meaning, it would lead to a conversation.
How is what you described here related to what OP described? Is the OP unattractive, is that why the lady didn't understand what he said?
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Point is, if she likes you and is interested, she'll make it easy and not confuse you. Guess what the opposite is?
WanderingMan
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How is she supposed to like you or be interested when you're a random stranger and the first thing that comes out of your mouth is complete gibble garble?
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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.