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DreamyChick, what have you learned about men in your 4 years of being a member here????
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
GIRLS should be BANNED from this site
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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
pooparu
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Nah none taken, trust me I'm not always this dipomaticmr_elor said:Fair enough mate, I'm open minded enough to say that you're certainly entitled to your own opinions, in fact I know the world would be a far less interesting place if we all agreed on anything. However I'm simply not going to agree with you on this, and if disagreeing with people makes me a flamer then so be it.
If not 'chilling' means I'm not a DJ, then so be it (besides, 'DJ' is a label, as long as I'm happy I don't care how much of the DJ criteria I fulfill).
Anyway, no offense to you mate, you seem like a decent guy and I'm not trying to have a go. Unfortunately I'm not as diplomatic as yourself.
, its just that all the flaming sorta makes me think that all this emotional control that we're supposed to have sometimes goes out the window. I don't agree with this **** either, but i save flames for when I really think its necessary.Like I said man, its ****ing great to disagree with people, all I'm saying is that letting yourself get worked up from a few verbal jabs from some guy on the internet is kinda pointless, thats what I mean by chilling, I don't mean just agree with what everyone says.
And I agree man DJ is just a label, theres no set type of guy to be.
I guess we're gonna end up agreeing in our own different ways lol.
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That I am attracted to the wrong kinds of guys.SELF-MASTERY said:
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What kind of guys are you attracted too???DreamyChick said:
Weren't you the one who had a crush on some guy you worked with that had a girlfriend or something like that?? Didn't we yell at you and called you names?:box:
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Yes you did.SELF-MASTERY said:
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
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and now you are back for more?
S1NN3R
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Ok, there are just way too many of the little punchy punchy dude. My vertigo is giving me fits now.
Let's get back to the subject of DreamyChick here and the kind of guys that she's attracted to compared to the kind of guy she feels she should be attracted to (sans little punchy punchy dude, if at all possible). Knowing if it's the board that had an effect on her revelation might help solidify proof that girls have a place here if they can recieve as much help as the guys.
Let's get back to the subject of DreamyChick here and the kind of guys that she's attracted to compared to the kind of guy she feels she should be attracted to (sans little punchy punchy dude, if at all possible). Knowing if it's the board that had an effect on her revelation might help solidify proof that girls have a place here if they can recieve as much help as the guys.
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Yes she never answered all of the question.S1NN3R said:
The punchy guys are here to stay-- check my sig.:trouble:
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For the record that coworker has moved on and so have I. However, he seemed a whole heck of a lot more mature being in his 30's then the guy I currently like. Why are you going to give me a hard time for being attracted to a man that's got his act together?SELF-MASTERY said:
Now I wonder why this guy and I try so hard to be friends when it just doesn't work out. If anyone can give me the answer to that I will do some major sucking up to you. This guy is not totally there maturity wise. Yet I am still attracted to him and we are trying for the millionth time to be just friends despite the fact that he's given me massages and cuddled in bed. That doesn't make much sense to me. But through all that crap with him I realized that he is not the kind of man I personally need to be in a relationship with so if we can make a just friends relationship work with boundaries up than fantastic. Point me in the direction of a man that will be good for me. I think the next guy needs to be older.
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Djf
Okay, this is really becoming a mess, and where’s DonJuanByNature? Haven’t seen him post on this anymore.
I answered this in my previous reply, women could be banned or should’nt be banned, that’s not the thing. The thing is, a woman CANNOT teach a boy how to be a man, she can give him the traits and values of a nice guy as far as having respect, ambitions, dressing nice, etc., but no woman can show a guy how to be MASUCLINE, it’s not happening.
Now The Truth, you said this,
“Girls have EXPERIENCE and some women give great honest advice.”
You guys CONTINUE to look for “more advice” “more tips” “the secret.” I have already gave you the secret, this site has gave you the secret, BE A MAN. I made a thread on how to become one, you have to program the beliefs into your mind. If you study human nature and the parts of the mind, you will understand more fully why the phrase, “You are what you think,” is so true.
Truth, you don’t NEED anymore advice, and the only advice a experienced or NON-experienced woman can give, is that she will tell you stuff from HER PERSPECTIVE AS A WOMAN. I said this in my reply earlier…I wear a durag, black Detroit baseball cap, all black clothes, I keep a serious look on my face, I act aggressive, sexual, and bold around her…she concludes FROM HER PERSPECTIVE, I must be a “bad boy.” So when a guy asks a girl how to be attractive, she says, “Be a bad boy, we allll love him.” But in all truth, I am no fvcking bad boy! I am a MASCULINE BOY, but NO woman, and I repeat, NO woman understands masculinity and how to "become it" they could help you imiate it though. That’s why a woman cannot give a guy “great honest advice” as you say Truth.
To I’m a str8 pimp, you and skip, answer this....At the end of the day, what do you come here for? To HELP YOURSELF, or HELP THE FORUM?
If you guys come here to help the forum, str8 pimp, you said this,
“Like I’ve stated prolly 293889425647825640786230 times, everyone is an individual so if the advice doesn't work for you, then dont ****in' listen to it. “
Pimp and skip, UNDERSTAND this little secret, you ready……………
NOBODY’S FVCKING LISTENING TO YOU.
Now don’t think I am saying you guys SHOULD NOT POST, that’s not what I am saying, hell out of ANY POST WITH A TIP, somebody can get something out of it, but you guy’s are suffering from serious time management issues. You guys are spending hours making threads and argueing back and forth with guys, WHEN YOU COULD BE READING SOME OF THESE PAST GREAT THREADS. There’s thousands of excellent threads on here from guys in the past, just about EVERY DAMN THING IN LIFE HAS BEEN COVERED.
Now….don’t think I am dissing you guys, no, no, no. You guys are actually my favorite posters, and BECAUSE YOU ARE MY FAVORITE POSTERS.., I wanna look out for you guys and let you know, there’s so much information on this site to read on, and there’s so much in LIFE that you don’t HAVE TO waste your time making threads. Seriously....and for the record, to skip.....
Skip, you said this,
“I’m online only at work cuz i got a boring accounting job so i got sosuave to get me thru the day.”
You are a don juan right? Okay, don juans chase their passions in life, why are you at a job you hate? Why? Please tell me you are there just temporary because you are working on something that will get you out of it? Please tell me. Because if you are not working on something, then you need to do some serious reading on some real estate buddy or tell me this, “what’s your passion in life?” Chase it skip, chase it. Tell your boss to fvck off.
And SINNER, you said this,
“Saying that women should not be on here is self-defeating, as even if you disagree with every word a woman say, knowing what she is saying can still be helpful to you if you know how to apply it."
I already addressed this, women can’t teach guys how to be masculine. Masculinity is not like Feminity. If a girl came on here and asked, “What can I do to become more attractive,” since their attraction is based on physical looks, it’s easy to help her. But for a guy, it’s all a re-programming of the inner man, it's simple, but it's not as easy as just telling a girl to lose weight and wear some better makeup. Women don’t know how to help a guy become masculine, or if they do know how to reprogram a person's mind, they don’t think “that’s” the problem, they think he's too stiff, too soft, too nice, they don't really understand why they even like guys in the first place.
SINNER you also said this,
“All the talk about alpha males lately, there is only one thing that will make you a true alpha, and it's about being a man that others look up to, that others will follow without being told to, that others can count on to be the strong and capable person that will help them to achieve what everyone wants."
Excellent and priceless information. But when you said this, I had to disagree,
“One cannot be that person, that true alpha, by ignoring that which he doesn't like to hear in favor of listening to what already conforms to his pre-existing beliefs. If you don't like what someone says, read it anyway, file it away for later use.”
SINNER how would you like this,
“SINNER you are a bytch!” “SINNER you are gay!” “SINNER you will be a loser in life.”
How does reading stuff like that help a person? If you don’t “like” to hear something, there must be a reason for it, either it is written poorly, the author is an azzhole, or the information is incorrect. SINNER if you continue to hear stuff like what I just said, your “pre-existing beliefs” will change brotha. And when men continue to hear the same advice from women, that’s incorrect, they begin to believe what the women are saying even though women are interpreting it all wrong!
Women say they like “bad boys, jerks, and thugs” what they really mean is a guy who’s masculine, but they will preach this to the guy who asks for advice, now he’s out trying to be ****y and funny, trying to be a jerk, trying to memorize Tupac songs to become a “thug”, lol. See how it’s all wrong?
Overall, if the women wanna post here, fvck who cares? It’s when they begin to post threads and guys begin to listen to them that I want alllllllllllllllll you guys who flame skip, pimp, and donjuanbynature…when the women start to make threads, FLAME NOW. I want you to go in and flame like it’s no tomorrow.
And you do know what’s funny? That girl had no flames in her thread I don’t think, besides DonJuanbyNature. Why is that? You guys flame skip and pimp, which I could kind of understand why, it's because you don't think they are replicable PUA's, but only they know if they are true or not and if they are lying the ONLY person they are hurting is themselves. But I don't understand, you guys don’t flame a chick coming here getting advice? I mean, the obvious flame is, “WTF is a girl doing on here?” What are you afraid to flame her? Is it not "right" to say bad things to a person? Well, you do it to skip and pimp?
DJF
Okay, this is really becoming a mess, and where’s DonJuanByNature? Haven’t seen him post on this anymore.
I answered this in my previous reply, women could be banned or should’nt be banned, that’s not the thing. The thing is, a woman CANNOT teach a boy how to be a man, she can give him the traits and values of a nice guy as far as having respect, ambitions, dressing nice, etc., but no woman can show a guy how to be MASUCLINE, it’s not happening.
Now The Truth, you said this,
“Girls have EXPERIENCE and some women give great honest advice.”
You guys CONTINUE to look for “more advice” “more tips” “the secret.” I have already gave you the secret, this site has gave you the secret, BE A MAN. I made a thread on how to become one, you have to program the beliefs into your mind. If you study human nature and the parts of the mind, you will understand more fully why the phrase, “You are what you think,” is so true.
Truth, you don’t NEED anymore advice, and the only advice a experienced or NON-experienced woman can give, is that she will tell you stuff from HER PERSPECTIVE AS A WOMAN. I said this in my reply earlier…I wear a durag, black Detroit baseball cap, all black clothes, I keep a serious look on my face, I act aggressive, sexual, and bold around her…she concludes FROM HER PERSPECTIVE, I must be a “bad boy.” So when a guy asks a girl how to be attractive, she says, “Be a bad boy, we allll love him.” But in all truth, I am no fvcking bad boy! I am a MASCULINE BOY, but NO woman, and I repeat, NO woman understands masculinity and how to "become it" they could help you imiate it though. That’s why a woman cannot give a guy “great honest advice” as you say Truth.
To I’m a str8 pimp, you and skip, answer this....At the end of the day, what do you come here for? To HELP YOURSELF, or HELP THE FORUM?
If you guys come here to help the forum, str8 pimp, you said this,
“Like I’ve stated prolly 293889425647825640786230 times, everyone is an individual so if the advice doesn't work for you, then dont ****in' listen to it. “
Pimp and skip, UNDERSTAND this little secret, you ready……………
NOBODY’S FVCKING LISTENING TO YOU.
Now don’t think I am saying you guys SHOULD NOT POST, that’s not what I am saying, hell out of ANY POST WITH A TIP, somebody can get something out of it, but you guy’s are suffering from serious time management issues. You guys are spending hours making threads and argueing back and forth with guys, WHEN YOU COULD BE READING SOME OF THESE PAST GREAT THREADS. There’s thousands of excellent threads on here from guys in the past, just about EVERY DAMN THING IN LIFE HAS BEEN COVERED.
Now….don’t think I am dissing you guys, no, no, no. You guys are actually my favorite posters, and BECAUSE YOU ARE MY FAVORITE POSTERS.., I wanna look out for you guys and let you know, there’s so much information on this site to read on, and there’s so much in LIFE that you don’t HAVE TO waste your time making threads. Seriously....and for the record, to skip.....
Skip, you said this,
“I’m online only at work cuz i got a boring accounting job so i got sosuave to get me thru the day.”
You are a don juan right? Okay, don juans chase their passions in life, why are you at a job you hate? Why? Please tell me you are there just temporary because you are working on something that will get you out of it? Please tell me. Because if you are not working on something, then you need to do some serious reading on some real estate buddy or tell me this, “what’s your passion in life?” Chase it skip, chase it. Tell your boss to fvck off.
And SINNER, you said this,
“Saying that women should not be on here is self-defeating, as even if you disagree with every word a woman say, knowing what she is saying can still be helpful to you if you know how to apply it."
I already addressed this, women can’t teach guys how to be masculine. Masculinity is not like Feminity. If a girl came on here and asked, “What can I do to become more attractive,” since their attraction is based on physical looks, it’s easy to help her. But for a guy, it’s all a re-programming of the inner man, it's simple, but it's not as easy as just telling a girl to lose weight and wear some better makeup. Women don’t know how to help a guy become masculine, or if they do know how to reprogram a person's mind, they don’t think “that’s” the problem, they think he's too stiff, too soft, too nice, they don't really understand why they even like guys in the first place.
SINNER you also said this,
“All the talk about alpha males lately, there is only one thing that will make you a true alpha, and it's about being a man that others look up to, that others will follow without being told to, that others can count on to be the strong and capable person that will help them to achieve what everyone wants."
Excellent and priceless information. But when you said this, I had to disagree,
“One cannot be that person, that true alpha, by ignoring that which he doesn't like to hear in favor of listening to what already conforms to his pre-existing beliefs. If you don't like what someone says, read it anyway, file it away for later use.”
SINNER how would you like this,
“SINNER you are a bytch!” “SINNER you are gay!” “SINNER you will be a loser in life.”
How does reading stuff like that help a person? If you don’t “like” to hear something, there must be a reason for it, either it is written poorly, the author is an azzhole, or the information is incorrect. SINNER if you continue to hear stuff like what I just said, your “pre-existing beliefs” will change brotha. And when men continue to hear the same advice from women, that’s incorrect, they begin to believe what the women are saying even though women are interpreting it all wrong!
Women say they like “bad boys, jerks, and thugs” what they really mean is a guy who’s masculine, but they will preach this to the guy who asks for advice, now he’s out trying to be ****y and funny, trying to be a jerk, trying to memorize Tupac songs to become a “thug”, lol. See how it’s all wrong?
Overall, if the women wanna post here, fvck who cares? It’s when they begin to post threads and guys begin to listen to them that I want alllllllllllllllll you guys who flame skip, pimp, and donjuanbynature…when the women start to make threads, FLAME NOW. I want you to go in and flame like it’s no tomorrow.
And you do know what’s funny? That girl had no flames in her thread I don’t think, besides DonJuanbyNature. Why is that? You guys flame skip and pimp, which I could kind of understand why, it's because you don't think they are replicable PUA's, but only they know if they are true or not and if they are lying the ONLY person they are hurting is themselves. But I don't understand, you guys don’t flame a chick coming here getting advice? I mean, the obvious flame is, “WTF is a girl doing on here?” What are you afraid to flame her? Is it not "right" to say bad things to a person? Well, you do it to skip and pimp?
DJF
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
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DreamyChick, stop being such a chick (jk) I wasn't getting on you for liking that guy. I just remembered that thread and how people responded. I might have said something mean, but I dont remember and who cares that was months...maybe a year or more ago...
What is your definition of maturity? We here women claim that they want mature men, but they never define what that means... What makes the current guy immature. BTW you will never just be friends with him, so stop pretending...
What is your definition of maturity? We here women claim that they want mature men, but they never define what that means... What makes the current guy immature. BTW you will never just be friends with him, so stop pretending...
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DJF, I agree that we don't need tips or any shyt like that, but I can't find anything wrong with discussing relationships with a women. The most worth advice I've ever receive on women actually came from a married femal co-worker. She understood the 'game' more than any guy ever met. I think it depends on the woman.
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Is it because she's a girl, that you don't flame her? Honestly, women being on this site giving advice and making threads is like me giving my car keys to my 7 year old niece and saying, "Drive us to Disneyland."
She, for one, doesn't know HOW TO GET to disneyland.
She, for two, CAN'T DRIVE ME to disneyland.
AND finally, if she could drive me there and if she could follow the directions, "LIFE" would prevent her from getting me there because the cops would pull us over.
So women don't really KNOW why they like guys (It's masculinity, but they think it's something else)
The don't know how to TEACH a guy to be attractive.
And finally, LIFE or NATURE has wired her so, that her PERSPECTIVE is limited to even consider just what made that guy "so hoooot."
DJF
She, for one, doesn't know HOW TO GET to disneyland.
She, for two, CAN'T DRIVE ME to disneyland.
AND finally, if she could drive me there and if she could follow the directions, "LIFE" would prevent her from getting me there because the cops would pull us over.
So women don't really KNOW why they like guys (It's masculinity, but they think it's something else)
The don't know how to TEACH a guy to be attractive.
And finally, LIFE or NATURE has wired her so, that her PERSPECTIVE is limited to even consider just what made that guy "so hoooot."
DJF
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^^^ You have encountered the wrong type of women.
“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”
You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.
I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.
Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.
These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.
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SELF-MASTERY said:
Read my posts.
Here's the short version- He was obsessed with guys being gay in the notebook was that supposed to be funny to me?
He tried to play fight with me.
He gave me long massages thus making me want him
He cuddled with me when he was too drunk
He was out to prove I wanted sexp--he admitted this.
He called me consistently then disappeared. Although that can be good.
He wants to be friends but messed it up when he got affectionate.
He was a tease not me.
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SELF-MASTERY, you said this,
" I can't find anything wrong with discussing relationships with a women..... a married femal co-worker understood the 'game' more than any guy ever met. I think it depends on the woman."
Out of all the women giving advice, Destini9 was the only one who came close, she new it was "natural maleness" she just didn't know how to increase it.
Lol, Mastery, I still think YOU think, it's a "game." There is no game. When a hb8 walks in, you naturally lust for her. She doesn't run any patterns, do neg-hits, do ****y/funny, be a challenge, be a mystery, you are NATURALLY attracted to her, it's because of her increased and high level of feminity. When the fat girl comes in I bet the lust is not as high, because that girl has a low level of femiinity being displayed.
Just as when the male with the increased masculinity walks in, women naturally lust after him. Do they "understand" or "know" what makes him attractive? No, not at all. They will examine his traits though,
1. He's a nice guy, he's ****y.
2. He dress nice.
3. He can hold a great convo.
4. He's open and lively.
But NONE OF THESE THINGS, are the reason she is attracted to him. That's why the PERSONALITY that is inside of each of us that makes us unique, BE YOURSELF...just increase your masculinity, I made a post on it already, if you guys need it again, I'll post it again.
DJF
" I can't find anything wrong with discussing relationships with a women..... a married femal co-worker understood the 'game' more than any guy ever met. I think it depends on the woman."
Out of all the women giving advice, Destini9 was the only one who came close, she new it was "natural maleness" she just didn't know how to increase it.
Lol, Mastery, I still think YOU think, it's a "game." There is no game. When a hb8 walks in, you naturally lust for her. She doesn't run any patterns, do neg-hits, do ****y/funny, be a challenge, be a mystery, you are NATURALLY attracted to her, it's because of her increased and high level of feminity. When the fat girl comes in I bet the lust is not as high, because that girl has a low level of femiinity being displayed.
Just as when the male with the increased masculinity walks in, women naturally lust after him. Do they "understand" or "know" what makes him attractive? No, not at all. They will examine his traits though,
1. He's a nice guy, he's ****y.
2. He dress nice.
3. He can hold a great convo.
4. He's open and lively.
But NONE OF THESE THINGS, are the reason she is attracted to him. That's why the PERSONALITY that is inside of each of us that makes us unique, BE YOURSELF...just increase your masculinity, I made a post on it already, if you guys need it again, I'll post it again.
DJF
Ok folks time to simplify this.
1. some guys on this site can not admit when they are wrong or that a female has anything worthwhile to say.
2. even for this post those same posters will now turn around and criticise this post.
3. basically they lash out at anyone who opposes their narrow concept of what is right.
4. Their idea to silence those that they care not to hear is to suggest banning them.
5. reasonable minded people are trying to educate these fools but it is a fruitless pursuit.
6. This whole thread has become a giant pissing contest between people only talking and nost listening.
Thank you for your time. Please resume your pointless bickering.
have a nice day.
1. some guys on this site can not admit when they are wrong or that a female has anything worthwhile to say.
2. even for this post those same posters will now turn around and criticise this post.
3. basically they lash out at anyone who opposes their narrow concept of what is right.
4. Their idea to silence those that they care not to hear is to suggest banning them.
5. reasonable minded people are trying to educate these fools but it is a fruitless pursuit.
6. This whole thread has become a giant pissing contest between people only talking and nost listening.
Thank you for your time. Please resume your pointless bickering.
have a nice day.
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LOL at you. You obviously haven't read many posts by me. There is a reason why I always put the word "game" in quotation marks. I've always believed that attraction was natural and simple and shouldn't take that much work.DonJuanForever said:
Hell I even have a post on here about gaming girls with just a fking look* and the right aura/ presence (masculine certainty.)
You are preaching to the choir here. You will never find any post (just one) where I ever needed or wanted to use silly tactics to get with women. I've been preaching that attraction is natural and easy since 04.
Self-Mastery= A guy that has gotten almost everything that he wants from the "game."
I'll take advice from ANYONE that has knowledge.
Simplicity Simplicity Simplicity.
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Why is this post getting so much attention? Get over it the girls are staying, this isn't and English cricket club.
It's an idiotic suggestion, if you have a penis stay if you don't leave.....
It's an idiotic suggestion, if you have a penis stay if you don't leave.....
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.