"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Girls like sex with the lights off??
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Scars
Master Don Juan
Mistic
Senior Don Juan
Hint. The girls who want the lights on are typically the same ones who want it in the as$ and love getting their hair pulled, called sluts, spanked a bit, etc., you get the idea.
Younger girls and house on the prairie religious types are typically not as comfortable and want the lights off or very low.
Scar Tissue
Don Juan
But getting a dimmer would be perfect for this situation, find a lighting amount that both of you can enjoy. And who knows, maybe in time she will let you increase the light. You could help your chances of that by complimenting her body at times. You know, like letting her know you think she is beautiful and stuff.
No dimmer? Keep your computer screen on, stereo, tv, etc
Almost all electronics these days have some sort of glow it seems like so it shouldnt be hard to find something that gives off light.
808
Don Juan
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Nexus Polaris
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Not necessarily. I used to get girls to take it in the ass by witholding regular sex until they agreed to anal. You'd be amazed at how well it worked. Even ones that said, "Never ever," eventually caved. And this was back in my WBAFC days before I had any clue what I was doing.Scars said:
Granted, that was before I had ever slept with them, though. You can't exactly get away with that kind of stuff as easily if you're already in a relationship.
So I guess I probably agree that he should just mention casually trying it with the lights on. Candles and dimmers are also really good ideas.
CarlitosWay
Master Don Juan
When I first started sleeping with my new interest a couple of weeks ago, she would always object to me turning the lights on in the car, but yesterday as she was giving me head, I turned them on and she didn't say ****.
WhitePimp
Master Don Juan
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
Next time, keep the lights on, and just JUMP straight into sex.
Once you frame that it is cool between you two with the lights on, she'll have nothing to worry about.
You have to start instilling this new habit of having sex with lights on with her gradually.
Hope that helps.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
comic_relief
Master Don Juan
yep, my gf won't have sex with the lights off unless she hasn't shaved down thereNight Owl said:
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Just a Shot Away
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So if you guys are laying in bed about to fall asleep, and things start heating up...you'll go, "Oh wait, hang on." and get up, turn the lights on, and get back in bed to bang? That sounds so odd to me...
Accension
Senior Don Juan
If you don't like it, gradually have sex at lighter times of the day until it's dark with lights on.
I've heard this one heaps and this is the usual progression.
tl;dr build sexual comfort.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.