Girls Call Me "Hot" But I Can't Get Them To Go Out On Date With Me??

[tmpgstx]

I'm gonna break it down a bit for you guys. Below are *types* of girls and the guys they go for on a larger more common level. There are always exceptions though, but that goes without saying.

LSE Nice Girl
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These are always the girls i go for, but they rarely ever go for me.
These girls succumb to jerk behavior almost instantly. They are very
insecure and compete with other girls in their circle for some loser you
wouldn't let babysit your dog. It behooves you that she would even
think twice about getting with this guy, not only does she want to be
with the jerk, she wants to marry him and so do her friends!

HSE Nice Girl
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This girl is secure and expects to be treated decently. She goes for guys
like me (stable, athletic, successful, resourceful). This girl is money
conscious and likes a hard-working man. The problem with this
type of girl is that there are too few of them! They are like one for every
ten LSE Nice girls. They are few and far between and are often married
before 25.

LSE Bytch (spoiled) Girl
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This girl is the worst promiscuis creature on the planet. She'll do you and
your buddies any day of the week for attention. Daddy spoiled her but she
knows no limits. She has been jaded time and time again. She is the type
that will do pornos in a flash (e.g. Paris Hilton ilk). If you like sharing this
girl with half the town, then she is for you. She'll treat you special but be
taking it broad-side from some other dude the next night.

HSE Bytch (spoiled) Girl
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This girl is daddy's princess. These girls often go for me too. I don't mind
that so much. She wants to show you off to her friends and family. She
has impeccable standards, often too high for any guy to meet. She is very
picky. Too dam picky. She thinks she is the cat's meow. You are always
expendible to her. She can take you for granted easily if you don't live up
to her presupposed BS standards. This girl is often very clean and works
hard on her appearance and expects the same. She won't be going out with
any slob. It will be a guy with money and/or going to be getting lots of
money. She is not so much into looks as she is status or how she perceives
your male status. This girl will always be asking you *future* questions.

These are 4 basic catagories. Each have their pros and cons. Take your pick and know how to play each type.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

It can be an ADVANTAGE and a DISADVANTAGE. Damn...I hate repeating myself...LOL

um, so how does the fact that some women will like how you look, and others may not help your argument?

I mean, the whole purpose of this board is to provide advice that can increase a man's chances in succeeding with women is it not?

So, if this is the goal of the board, AND it is is a FACT that some men will have a lower percentage of women who hate how the look/higher percentage of women the love how they look, then would these men NOT have an advantage over other less fortunet men? (advantage meaning a higher probability of a woman personally fiinding him good looking) YES OR NO?

The answer is YES. Some men are of a certain type to where the percentage of women that find them attractive is significantly higher than most other men. And SINCE LOOKS MATTER TO WOMEN these men will have a higher chance of success than other men! who cares if no man will ever have 100% success, thats not possible. Lets be realistic here.

The point is, some men will have a higher chance of success than others becuase a higher percentage of women like the way he looks Vs the way another guy looks. this means he has more potential than other men as well as a higher chance of succeeding with a given women becuase looks do matter.

Now, looks can be changed and improved to an extent. And heres a question for you: Would a man not be better off if he were to make himself look more like "That look" to where his chances of a woman finding him physically attractive are increased?

ah, so then yes, it will benefit a man to change his looks, and this board will still serve that purpose to exchange such tips on how to do so.

I never said this or implied this.

Oh this is exactly what you implied, Ill be getting to this soon enough in this post my friend.

Again....What planet are you from?!?!?!!? Rock stars, professional athletes, famous guys...etc etc......are banging AND attracting MASSES of women RIGHT NOW.

lets see here:
1. who do rock stars get? SOME fans, and groupies. Do "SOME fans" and groupies make up "almost all" of the female population? NO! Although some rock stars will do better than others, ie Jon Bon jovi will be very successful with women where as the guys from slipknot wont. hey Bon Jovi is good looking, coincidence? I think not!!!

2. Professional athletes: the only "masses" they get are gold diggers, say didnt a gold digger try and set a well known basket ball player up for a rape charge so she could get money? yes! gee, they just attract gold diggers dont they. So, are gold diggers "almost all" of the female population? NO. But this might be so on your little planet :crazy:

3. Famous guys: not all famous guys even have an easy time getting laid. Havent a few been caught with some pretty nasty prostitutes? YES! gee, I wonder what they needed them for given all their women attracting fame. :yawn:

THats some pretty strong evidence you got there
So again, wheres your proof of a man who is able to bang almost all women. You do know the definition of "almost all women" dont you? I sure hope so.

These men are attracting women from ALL different cultural backgrounds and upbringings. Men who fit the "Italian Stallion" look or an other LOOK will NEVER accomplish this. You know....CONSISTENTLY scoring gorgeous babes from different backgrounds.

Um, these italian stallions have a higher probability of Scoring a hot babe period then most men. I dont know about you, but having good chances of scoring hot babes period is more important than being able to score hot babes from all different backgrounds. What good are you if you have trouble even scoring any hot babe?. Again, this board is about increasing a mans chances of getting a hot babe. Looks matter, and this board can be used to exchange tips on how to improve in that area.

I will do that once YOU cite YOUR source...that shows that women from ALL of the world prefer the "ITALIAN STALLION" look. And that matters because in case you haven't noticed the USA is a MULTICULTURAL country. Please I'm anxiously awaiting that one. LOL!!!!

I dont need to prove that to show that a man will be better off if he looks like an italian stallion than looking like a pasty white ugly faced nerd. You dont need to be able to get "almost all women" form "all backgrounds" to have chances for success that most men just wont have. ie. the "italion stallion" may not be able to get women from all over the world, but atleast his chances of getting that hot babe waiting in line at his local starbucks will be like a million times greater than that of the pasty white nerd due to the way he looks. So yes, hes got an advantage over the pasty white nerd despite the subjectivity of womens tastes. :yes:

Originally Posted by God_of_getting_layed
oh but you implied it . your whole argument is that women have equally different tastes in what they like in how a guy looks, and so he wont be any better off if he adopts one look over another. THIS IS YOUR ARGUMENT!!

AGAIN...I never said this. I said that some men do have an ADVANTAGE. "No I'm not....because I never said looks CAN'T be advantage. What I am saying is that looks can be an advantage with one women and be a disadvantage with another." Also repeated....BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T GET IT. LOL!!!

Originally Posted by God_of_getting_layed
and again, why women's tastes are different doesnt matter. all that matters is that there will be statistical predictabilities on what they prefer,

No, there will not be...because women have "varying tastes". Wrong again....:crackup: Stop contradicting yourself. LOL!!!

Okay, so yes its true, you ARE saying that any 2 men will have the same chances of beeing seen as attractive by an arbitrary woman (I told you Id get to this)

This is clear becuase you state that your looks will be an advantage with one and then a disadvantage with another. you then state that my statement of "women's tastes will be predictable" is a false statement (seen here in your second rebutal above right here).

So if its a false statement, then this means you believe their tastes will be unpredictable correct? :yes:

So if women's tastes are totally unpredictable, then this would have to mean that the probability of a woman liking/disliking a preppy guy, a muscular beef cake, italian stallion male model, a hip hop guy, a pale nerd would have to be equally likely.

You see, unpredictability means ALL OUTCOMES ARE EQUALLY PROBABLE. did you ever take a course in statistics or probability? obviously not :crackup:

So then yes, youre saying that probability of a woman liking a pasty white nerd will be exactly the same as the woman liking an italion stallion. THis implies a man's chances of a woman thinking hes hot are not increased if he could change from a pale nerd to an itallion stallion.

oh, but the thing is, we know an arbitrary woman from an arbitrary background will have a higher probability of thinking the guy is hot if he looks like that chiseled face, cut, muscular male model "itallion stallion" look than if he looks like some flabby pale nerd.

This means its NOT unpredictable, this means the probability of a woman liking a guy who looks like "type X" will not be the same for all possible types. THe fact that women come from different backgrounds will not change this statistical fact. This statistical fact is taking into accound that she will come from an arbitrary background. This statistical fact is a quantification of her subjectivity and how we can still make predictions about her preference.

Some men will have an advantage when it comes to getting layed over others becuase of the way they look. Get over it. but the good news is that looks can be changed and improved so that your chances can be increased, thus a use for this board.

You have LIMITING beliefs which leads to....MEDIOCRITY. MEDIOCRITY is what I hate with a passion. Thats why many people come here....is because WE HATE MEDIOCRITY. And your SILLY ideas about LOOKS lead to just that....MEDIOCRITY.

No, you are actually the one with failure encouraging limiting beleifs; Advocating that people should turn a blind eye to the truth.

People who are successful are successful becuase they take into accound all true facts, no matter how intimidating or brutal it sounds. They use this factual information to make the best decisions possible to reach their maximum potential possible. So actually, the guy who turns a blind eye to true facts (which your kind are doing) are actually setting themselves up for failure by providing themselves with fualty infromation to base their "improve with women" decisions on. You cant make decisions to improve yourself if its based on fualty information.

Your kind of thinking at best will be able to achieve the same level of success as the guy making realistic goals and basing decisions on factual information. But since youre tuning out vital information, I dont see how even achieving even that level of success is possible if your making faulty decisions based on your filtered out distored view of the world.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

oh rakishness, Im waiting for your reply.

Im waiting for you to set me straight in this argument :crackup:

 

[Phyzzle]

This thread is still here?

Have any of you guys noticed that the guy you're advising is a troll? Look at the questions he asks:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=125180

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=124480

 

[rakishness]

um, so how does the fact that some women will like how you look, and others may not help your argument?

Thats the whole point. So no matter what we do to "improve" our looks we will end up missing out on MANY hot babes. I put the word improve in "" because an improvement to one HB will hurt are chances with another. THAT SUCKS.

I mean, the whole purpose of this board is to provide advice that can increase a man's chances in succeeding with women is it not?

So, if this is the goal of the board, AND it is is a FACT that some men will have a lower percentage of women who hate how the look/higher percentage of women the love how they look, then would these men NOT have an advantage over other less fortunet men? (advantage meaning a higher probability of a woman personally fiinding him good looking) YES OR NO?

Yes..... BUT.....due to fact that Sosuave has members from all different cultures,backgrounds and countries......it just isn't PRACTICAL to discuss looks on this board. And also because women have varying tastes. So basically it would be such a waste of TIME.

The answer is YES. Some men are of a certain type to where the percentage of women that find them attractive is significantly higher than most other men. And SINCE LOOKS MATTER TO WOMEN these men will have a higher chance of success than other men! who cares if no man will ever have 100% success, thats not possible. Lets be realistic here.

Great men throughout history were never REALISTS.

The point is, some men will have a higher chance of success than others becuase a higher percentage of women like the way he looks Vs the way another guy looks. this means he has more potential than other men as well as a higher chance of succeeding with a given women becuase looks do matter.

This would be true if you believed that LOOKS ONLY MATTERED. Or mattered ABOVE everything else. Which it does not.

Now, looks can be changed and improved to an extent. And heres a question for you: Would a man not be better off if he were to make himself look more like "That look" to where his chances of a woman finding him physically attractive are increased?

For some woman it would increase for some it would PLUMMET. Are starting to see why it is not PRACTICAL?

lets see here:
1. who do rock stars get? SOME fans, and groupies. Do "SOME fans" and groupies make up "almost all" of the female population? NO! Although some rock stars will do better than others, ie Jon Bon jovi will be very successful with women where as the guys from slipknot wont. hey Bon Jovi is good looking, coincidence? I think not!!!

I wonder who would get more girls in club 50 cent or bon jovi? hahahahahahaha. Did you know that 50 cent DUMPED Vivica A. Fox. Do you know that she is absolutely gorgeous and is a MILLIONAIRE. Do you think that he would have been able to attract her without the FAME? 50 cent said in an interview that once he became famous it was like he "got a face lift" LOL!!!! Are you starting to get yet?!? I hope so. BTW....I think he is currently dating CIARA(sooo hott). Do you think she would even LOOK at him without the FAME? Damn...50 is sooo pimp!!!!

2. Professional athletes: the only "masses" they get are gold diggers, say didnt a gold digger try and set a well known basket ball player up for a rape charge so she could get money? yes! gee, they just attract gold diggers dont they. So, are gold diggers "almost all" of the female population? NO. But this might be so on your little planet :crazy:

WOW. You don't even understand how wrong you are. You see...HBs(women in general) are attracted to certain BEHAVIORS in a male. Some of these BEHAVIORS are PHYSICAL. Athletes display some of these PHYSICAL BEHAVIORS on the field. Women like guys who have ATHLETIC TALENT. It is INSTINCTIVE....and has little or NOTHING to do with money. It is also crosses cultures, backgrounds and countries(something that an certain "look" DOES NOT)....women love ATHLETES. But don't get me wrong the money helps as well....:yes:
And....this is HUGE and important topic that must be discussed on this board. It is highly overlooked. That is....that a mans BEHAVIORS can attract women. That HBs today are INSTINCTIVELY attracted to CERTAIN BEHAVIORS. I plan on discussing this topic in much detail soon...in another thread.

3. Famous guys: not all famous guys even have an easy time getting laid.

This is a complete FALLACY. I almost choked on my dinner when I read that line...:crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

I dont need to prove that to show that a man will be better off if he looks like an italian stallion than looking like a pasty white ugly faced nerd. You dont need to be able to get "almost all women" form "all backgrounds" to have chances for success that most men just wont have. ie. the "italion stallion" may not be able to get women from all over the world, but atleast his chances of getting that hot babe waiting in line at his local starbucks

You see...many of us here on Sosuave HATE mediocrity with a passion. We have bigger goals much larger then getting laid. When we are vacationing in brazil and see soo many AMAZING women strutting around... we are not even thinking about that local girl at the starbucks. We want those gorgeous brazilian goddesses in our beds. And we know to do that we are gonna need certain qualities to transcend looks. Thats why we get our MONEY straight and our behaviors RIGHT. So we can have a LARGER pick of the litter. We don't waste are time with subjective topics such as LOOKS.

People who are successful are successful becuase they take into accound all true facts, no matter how intimidating or brutal it sounds.

But don't you see.....I'm the one who is taking into account all the true facts. While you are blinding yourself to the ENTIRE picture. For whatever reason you think that nothing else matters besides looks/or that it matters the most. You believe that there is only one way to WIN. When in fact they are MANY. You need to widen you perspective. You must understand...that there are so many ATTRACTION MECHANISMS out there. Too many to count. I'm just saying It is better to use the MOST POTENT ones so you can have a larger pick of the litter. Which is what we all should want.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

Thats the whole point. So no matter what we do to "improve" our looks we will end up missing out on MANY hot babes. I put the word improve in "" because an improvement to one HB will hurt are chances with another. THAT SUCKS.

1. yeah, no matter what, youll never be able to get every girl attracted to you. THAT DOES SUCK. But oh well, thats life. Life is a ***** and then you die. The point in life is to make the best out of your potential not to try and exceed your maximum potential, which is not possible.

2. But when you make an "improvement", you will actually see the percentage of women that find you attractive INCREASE. DO YOU NOT GET THIS PART? the overal percentage of women in the female population that personally find you attractive INCREASES if you make an improvement. Sure, some may find you less attractive, but if its a true improvement, youll have increased your chances with far more women then it hurts, so it more than makes up for the women that you hurt your chances with. See how it works? Do you not know what an overall increase in percentage means?

Yes..... BUT.....due to fact that Sosuave has members from all different cultures,backgrounds and countries......it just isn't PRACTICAL to discuss looks on this board. And also because women have varying tastes. So basically it would be such a waste of TIME.

um, how would it not be practical? If there are people from all different cultures, have a guy from that culture give advice to men who live in that same culture. Duh

Great men throughout history were never REALISTS.

This doesnt change the fact that being a "dellusionist" is NOT going to allow you to pass your true LIMITED potential.

This would be true if you believed that LOOKS ONLY MATTERED. Or mattered ABOVE everything else. Which it does not.

well, the good thing is, Im not arguing that looks ONLY matter. Im just arguing that they matter, period, in addition to personality.

Your kind are trying to say that looks are negligable, that if your personality is great, you can still get a hot girl even if she thinks youre ugly. NOT true. THere is far more evidence that says hot women require their men to be atleast cute in their eyes before theyll sleep with them. ITs a pre-requisite to passing the personality test. THe evidence that says otherwise is very light in weight.

For some woman it would increase for some it would PLUMMET. Are starting to see why it is not PRACTICAL?

yeah, but if its a true improvement, then it will increase for far more women then it will plummet, thus the net result is more women finding you attractive than before you made the improvement. IS THIS STARTING TO MAKE SENSE YET?

This is possible becuase some "types" are attractive to a larger percentage than other "types". some are just not attractive to any women at all (almost). so in that case, any change would be an improvement; you could go from 0% to 2%, atleast its an improvement! an arbitrary example of my whole point.

I wonder who would get more girls in club 50 cent or bon jovi? hahahahahahaha. Did you know that 50 cent DUMPED Vivica A. Fox. Do you know that she is absolutely gorgeous and is a MILLIONAIRE. Do you think that he would have been able to attract her without the FAME? 50 cent said in an interview that once he became famous it was like he "got a face lift" LOL!!!! Are you starting to get yet?!? I hope so. BTW....I think he is currently dating CIARA(sooo hott). Do you think she would even LOOK at him without the FAME? Damn...50 is sooo pimp!!!!

um, 50 cent is black. alot of white women wont even touch black men. 'sides, I know plenty of women who say hes good looking (the ones who do go for black men). gee, coincidence againt that good looks are present? I THINK NOT!

This is a complete FALLACY. I almost choked on my dinner when I read that line...:crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

Its sooo true. thats why some got caught with prostitutes. Why would they need a ***** if they have all that chick magnet fame?

You see...many of us here on Sosuave HATE mediocrity with a passion.

Thats grrat. You can hate it all you want. Just know that your true potential has limits, and no matter how optimistic you are, youll never be able to pass that limit. Limiting theories such as the "looks matter" ones actually predict exactly what that limit is. So no matter how optimisitic you are, youll at best, youll be doing as good as someone who is following the looks matter theory to get layed. So what the point of filtering out brutal facts? it only decreases that chances that you will even meet your max potential, in other words, it actually hurts you. so much for optimism.

But don't you see.....I'm the one who is taking into account all the true facts. While you are blinding yourself to the ENTIRE picture. For whatever reason you think that nothing else matters besides looks/or that it matters the most. You believe that there is only one way to WIN. When in fact they are MANY. You need to widen you perspective. You must understand...that there are so many ATTRACTION MECHANISMS out there. Too many to count. I'm just saying It is better to use the MOST POTENT ones so you can have a larger pick of the litter. Which is what we all should want.

1. I beleive Both personality and looks are required to get hot women. If you lack either, your chances are pretty much null. So yes, that includes looks mattering!

2. no you are not the one seeing the entire picture. All your evidence that says looks dont matter is weak compared to evidence that says it does. If you do see the whole picture, you should have no problem giving me a list of all your evidence, and comming up with a "looks dont matter" theory that can explain ALL AVAILABLE EVIDENCE including evidence ricorico, myself and thoers have provided.

 

[rakishness]

1. yeah, no matter what, youll never be able to get every girl attracted to you. THAT DOES SUCK. But oh well, thats life. Life is a ***** and then you die. The point in life is to make the best out of your potential not to try and exceed your maximum potential, which is not possible.

Exactly....you are MEDIOCRE person with MEDIOCRE/limiting beliefs. How did you even find SoSuave?

This doesnt change the fact that being a "dellusionist" is NOT going to allow you to pass your true LIMITED potential.

You think Fame doesn't DRASTICALLY improve your chances of scoring HBs. And I'm delusional? You believe that more HBs would pick a broke a$$ pretty boy over a wealthy man who can give her anything she wants? And I'm delusional?!? WOW

um, 50 cent is black. alot of white women wont even touch black men. 'sides, I know plenty of women who say hes good looking (the ones who do go for black men). gee, coincidence againt that good looks are present? I THINK NOT!

This statement is bordering on RACIST. And because of that... this thread will mostly be closed soon. If you think that any of those girls would even look at 50 cent if he wasn't a Multi-Millionaire rapper....your are NUTS. And any girl who says she wont even "touch a black man" is a RACIST. Plain and simple. I suspect you to be RACIST as well. I suspected that once you claimed that the "Italian Stallion Look" is most desirable by women. I didn't want to say anything because I didn't want the thread to be closed just yet. But I knew eventually with enough bait...you would reveal your RACIST nature.

BTW...I'm a black man. What are my chances of achieving an "Italian Stallion Look"? LOL!!! As if I cared.
What about the Asians or Indians on this board. I guess we are all screwed. LOL. You really need to wake up and realize that it is 2007.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

Exactly....you are MEDIOCRE person with MEDIOCRE/limiting beliefs. How did you even find SoSuave?

1. um, every man has a limit to his success okay. So how is being dellusional and beleiving you can do anything going to magically cause you to pass your limits? ITS NOT. Telling yourself "oh, accepting limits is MEDIOCRITY" isnt going to change the fact that you do have limits nor will it allow you to pass them Being mediocre is relative. If youre at your maximum potential, then your not mediocre, youre beyond that. If youre 1/2 way to your maximum potential, then its safe to say youre mediocre.

It just sucks that some guys have higher potential than others. Sucks doesnt it? thats life. THats why not everyone will be as good a golfer as Tiger woods, or as good a B-ball player as MJ or be able to come up with as brilliant theories as Einstein.

So instead of dwelling on how other men have it better than you, you sshould focus on how to make the best of what you have.

2. At best, youll be able to reach you maximum potential. THATS THE WHOLE IDEA. The best you can do is reach your maximum potential, so the 1st step in doing that is accepting the idea that you do have limits. THe second one is to get an assessment of reality and how it works so you can make the best decisions so that you will reach your maximum potential.

3. It looks like youve totally dodged the whole argument about how it is possible to increase your overall chances of being seen as physically attractive to a woman despite the subjectivity. Her subjective perception of weither shell see you as good looking or not is just an outcome, just as a coin landing on heads is just an outcome. But these outcomes can be predicted statistically, and not every man will have the same statistic, some will have it better than others okay. Guess you knew you couldnt win in this argument huh, so you gave up. :crackup:

You think Fame doesn't DRASTICALLY improve your chances of scoring HBs. And I'm delusional? You believe that more HBs would pick a broke a$$ pretty boy over a wealthy man who can give her anything she wants? And I'm delusional?!? WOW

Your whole argument is all contridicory. Your saying I shouldnt be here because its impractical to provide tips on how to improve ones success. Well it looks like your whole argument of "how to get any woman is to become famous", well THAT however would be impractical to provide tips on. What are you going to do, make threads giving tips on how to become famous so they can get laid? oh yeah thats practical.

So by your own logic, you should be questioning yourself why you are here on this board. Atleast my argument is that looks can be improved and tips can be exchanged in practics, so I do, however have a reason to be here.

oh lets not forget that fame isnt going to help you out that much, we all know some celebs get more ***** than others despite having less money. I mean, look at bill gates, according to your logic, he should be the biggest pimp in the world since hes the richest :crackup:

This statement is bordering on RACIST. And because of that... this thread will mostly be closed soon. If you think that any of those girls would even look at 50 cent if he wasn't a Multi-Millionaire rapper....your are NUTS.

um, I know women who said hes "good looking", enough said.
And this may be borderline racist, but its the brutal truth.

And any girl who says she wont even "touch a black man" is a RACIST. Plain and simple.

okay, then I guess majority of white women in america is racist according to your messed up logic. My point stands.

I suspect you to be RACIST as well. I suspected that once you claimed that the "Italian Stallion Look" is most desirable by women. I didn't want to say anything because I didn't want the thread to be closed just yet. But I knew eventually with enough bait...you would reveal your RACIST nature.

okay, here we go, youre trying to "hitler-ize" me eh. awesome debate tactic man! the italian stallion look is attractive to alot of women becuase it is one of the male model looks, a man will have far more success with it than looking like a pale ugly nerd. Its a "white man's look" becuase,...drum roll......most of america is white, so the women too will be white, and will like "white men types" ie italian stallion.

BTW...I'm a black man. What are my chances of achieving an "Italian Stallion Look"? LOL!!! As if I cared.

slim to none! DIDNT I SAY SOME MEN WILL HAVE BETTER POTENTIAL THAN OTHERS? :yes: WELL, I GUESS IF YOU WANT WHITE WOMEN, YOU DONT HAVE IT AS GOOD AS WHITE MEN.

obviously if you try and look italian, it wont work for you cuz your black, you wont see any increase in the chances of a woman liking you. But if you try to look thug, atleast youll see some increase. So this is proof tips can be exchanged on how to improve your success in the looks department

 

[baller1985]

smoothness is just as important as hot

you want the girl to think 2 things when she thinks about u:

1) he's so hot
2) oh my, he's such a charmer (or "he's pretty damn cool")

just being hot is not always enough (though sometimes it is)

 

[baller1985]

We need a smiley face beating a dead horse emoticon.

honestly i cant believe how much is being typed up about looks......

this is a donjuan site talking about GAME and SEDUCTION


there is only one basic advice that can be given about looks and nothing further needs to be discussed!!

the advice is:

"try to look your best, from hair to fashion to body, if you are looking the best you can, then thats all you can do"

here's advice for being rich:

"the more $$ you have, the more golddiggers you get" (you wiill get laid more though, no doubt)



can I get a collective DUH from everyone here??

 

[rakishness]

It just sucks that some guys have higher potential than others. Sucks doesnt it? thats life.

It sure does. You are just completely wrong about who EXACTLY those guys are....:yes:

2. At best, youll be able to reach you maximum potential. THATS THE WHOLE IDEA. The best you can do is reach your maximum potential, so the 1st step in doing that is accepting the idea that you do have limits. THe second one is to get an assessment of reality and how it works so you can make the best decisions so that you will reach your maximum potential.

The problem is...your RACIST and TWISTED ideas have a FALSE sense of our maximum potential. Who are you to tell us what our max potential is? You are a RACIST.

3. It looks like youve totally dodged the whole argument about how it is possible to increase your overall chances of being seen as physically attractive to a woman despite the subjectivity.

This statement is contradiction and thus a POOR argument....:yawn:

Guess you knew you couldnt win in this argument huh, so you gave up. :crackup:

I've BEEN winning this argument. You just make SILLY assumptions about WOMEN. And have no proof whatsoever that states that a majority of women like any particular look. ABSOLUTELY NONE.

Your whole argument is all contridicory. Your saying I shouldnt be here because its impractical to provide tips on how to improve ones success. Well it looks like your whole argument of "how to get any woman is to become famous", well THAT however would be impractical to provide tips on. What are you going to do, make threads giving tips on how to become famous so they can get laid? oh yeah thats practical.

Being famous is not the only way to have MASSES of women attracted to you. Your putting words into my mouth... AGAIN

So by your own logic, you should be questioning yourself why you are here on this board. Atleast my argument is that looks can be improved and tips can be exchanged in practics, so I do, however have a reason to be here.

No you can't...because looks are so subjective and women have "varying tastes". For the UMPTEENTH time.

oh lets not forget that fame isnt going to help you out that much, we all know some celebs get more ***** than others despite having less money. I mean, look at bill gates, according to your logic, he should be the biggest pimp in the world since hes the richest :crackup:

LOL!!! Are you serious?!? Wow...First I thought you were joking about this. I really I'm starting to believe that you think that fame or/and money doesn't help you get women. AMAZING

um, I know women who said hes "good looking", enough said.
And this may be borderline racist, but its the brutal truth.

Nothing RACIST is true. It's just RACISM.

okay, then I guess majority of white women in america is racist according to your messed up logic. My point stands.

Please cite you sources stating that the majority of white women will not "touch a black man". HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

okay, here we go, youre trying to "hitler-ize" me eh. awesome debate tactic man! the italian stallion look is attractive to alot of women becuase it is one of the male model looks, a man will have far more success with it than looking like a pale ugly nerd. Its a "white man's look" becuase,...drum roll......most of america is white, so the women too will be white, and will like "white men types" ie italian stallion.


slim to none! DIDNT I SAY SOME MEN WILL HAVE BETTER POTENTIAL THAN OTHERS? :yes: WELL, I GUESS IF YOU WANT WHITE WOMEN, YOU DONT HAVE IT AS GOOD AS WHITE MEN.

This statement is RACIST. I'm not trying to hitlerize anything. Did I put these bigoted words in your mouth? Did I type them?

obviously if you try and look italian, it wont work for you cuz your black, you wont see any increase in the chances of a woman liking you. But if you try to look thug, atleast youll see some increase.

Ok...now you are talking out of your a$$. You have no proof of this whatsoever. Where do you come up with this stuff? It's quite comical....:crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

 

[ricorico]

Yep, Money gets you laid a lot easier than no money. But unfortunately some girls are not sincere and will laugh behind "sugar daddies" back. Meanwhile sleeping with the poolboy,her trainer,or which ever guy she finds hot who has no money at all for pleasure. Women ain't dumb. they fake it with Daddy Warbucks for money and security. they sleep with the guys they want for sexual pleasure. But you'd better beleive unless she is stupid she knows where her bread is buttured and who will put an ultra-nice roof over her head. It's rarely the stud she wants for sex. So she sets herself up to get both!

 

[baller1985]

i read somewhere else that you can really pimp a golddigger out by gettin her to find a sugar daddy who shes gonna use for $$, and then using her for the $$ that shes gettin from the sugar daddy

now THATS ballin - and thats somethin the pimp stud would do to a bytch like that

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

The problem is...your RACIST and TWISTED ideas have a FALSE sense of our maximum potential. Who are you to tell us what our max potential is? You are a RACIST.

oh, so Im racist becuase Im saying your looks do put limits on your abilities? right

I've BEEN winning this argument. You just make SILLY assumptions about WOMEN. And have no proof whatsoever that states that a majority of women like any particular look. ABSOLUTELY NONE.

your whole argument has been that a man wont see an increase in his chances of an arbitrary woman finding him attractive if goes from pasty white nerd to itallion stallion male model look (assuming hes a white guy) And the explanation is that "women are too subjective". But this just implies that the probability of a woman liking the way you look will be the same for both the pale nerd and male model, or for any man for that matter. Completely untrue. The statistic will be higher for the italian male model than for the nerd. <---Since this is true, theres no way your winning this argument :crackup:

Every guy will have a different probability of "a woman subjectively finding him attractive in her own subjective personal opinion", this is becuase a woman's tastes are not completly unpredictable!!!!. Do I really need to get to how you clearly dont know a damn thing about how probability and statistics works and how it can predict outcomes anywhere from the outcome of a flipped coin to weither some woman from a "diversly cultural nation" will personally find you attractive.

Oh, and my argument is more about what look will have the highest "she personly finds attractive" statistic, not so much about which look has "The majority of women like it", not exactly the same. But Ill tell you right now, the italian male model's statistic will be far higher than that of a pale nerd despite women's tastes being subjective. :yes:

No you can't...because looks are so subjective and women have "varying tastes". For the UMPTEENTH time.

lol,

okay, thats fine, women can have varing tastes and we can still see that some "types of men" will have a higher probability of a woman finding him attractive as opposed to another type. FOR THE UMPTEENTH time.

Do you really think that this statistic will be the same for every possible type? yes or no? YES OR NO?

LOL!!! Are you serious?!? Wow...First I thought you were joking about this. I really I'm starting to believe that you think that fame or/and money doesn't help you get women. AMAZING

The more money you have, the more gold diggers you get. Gold diggers arent exactly "almost all women" okay.

Nothing RACIST is true. It's just RACISM.

who said saying "most white women wont sleep with black men" is racist statement?

This statement is RACIST. I'm not trying to hitlerize anything. Did I put these bigoted words in your mouth? Did I type them?

can you prove that it is a racist statement? okay then!



Seriously stop trying to turn this into some kind of racist debate to get it closed just becuase you know you cant prove that all guys will have the same chances of a woman finding him attractive because its "sooo subjective".




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[God_of_getting_layed]

Lets get back on topic Rakishness,


ANSWER ME THIS: Do you beleive every man will have the same probability of a woman seeing him as "good looking" in her own SUBJECTIVE eyes given that the woman is an arbitrary selection from a diverse nation(ie USA)? YES or NO?

lets please not try to de-rail the original discussion becuase your losing, lets stay on topic. So go ahead and give me a simple YES or NO.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

Lets get back on topic Rakishness,


ANSWER ME THIS: Do you beleive every man will have the same probability of a woman seeing him as "good looking" in her own SUBJECTIVE eyes given that the woman is an arbitrary selection from a diverse nation(ie USA)? YES or NO?

lets please not try to de-rail the original discussion becuase your losing, lets stay on topic. So go ahead and give me a simple YES or NO.

 

[Jestor]

I get the feeling you're trying to close all or most girls who say you are hot. If that's the case then that's at least part of the problem. You say you're qualifying but maybe it isn't working well because you're not really genuine about it (ie. you still want them and they can sense it). It's a subtle difference qualifying a girl because you want to see if she is your type, and "qualifying" her just as a seduction technique because you want her. People can pick up on the difference most of the time.

Qualify girls to see if they are your type, not as a technique to make them want you more.

I don't know what to do. Usually, at least once a weekend, some girl will say that I am "hot." But, even though I get plenty of phone numbers and emails, I have a hard time getting these girls out on dates. Either, they don't pick up, or they say they have a boyfriend or some other lame excuse.

Before you ask, I do qualify these girls like: "what do you have going for you besides your looks?" I also set up solid day2's like, "there's a cool restaurant we're going to."

I run into plenty of same night lay situations, but don't always feel comfortable with that, I'd rather go for the close on day2. What do I have to do to get girls to see me again on a later day????

 

[rakishness]

Lets get back on topic Rakishness,


ANSWER ME THIS: Do you beleive every man will have the same probability of a woman seeing him as "good looking" in her own SUBJECTIVE eyes given that the woman is an arbitrary selection from a diverse nation(ie USA)? YES or NO?

lets please not try to de-rail the original discussion becuase your losing, lets stay on topic. So go ahead and give me a simple YES or NO.

No,

And because there is ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF of any IDEAL LOOK that women prefer and due to subjective nature of LOOKS...... we don't waste our time giving tips to people we can't even SEE.

 

[rakishness]

oh, so Im racist becuase Im saying your looks do put limits on your abilities? right

No. Thats not why your racist. That statement just makes you ignorant. Your racist because of the bigoted words you typed on the previous post. And it is very sad that 2007 people like you still exist. Very sad.

your whole argument has been that a man wont see an increase in his chances of an arbitrary woman finding him attractive if goes from pasty white nerd to itallion stallion male model look (assuming hes a white guy) And the explanation is that "women are too subjective". But this just implies that the probability of a woman liking the way you look will be the same for both the pale nerd and male model, or for any man for that matter. Completely untrue. The statistic will be higher for the italian male model than for the nerd. <---Since this is true, theres no way your winning this argument :crackup:

You keep on mentioning statistics YET YOU HAVE SHOWN NONE. I'm STILL waiting for PROOF that a majority of women prefer an "ITALIAN STALLION LOOK".
Crickets .............

So basically until there is PROOF that women prefer an "Itallion Stallion Look" or any other look over all the rest. It is absolutely pointless to discuss looks to a group of guys from different backgrounds who you cant physically see. POINTLESS

Every guy will have a different probability of "a woman subjectively finding him attractive in her own subjective personal opinion", this is becuase a woman's tastes are not completly unpredictable!!!!. Do I really need to get to how you clearly dont know a damn thing about how probability and statistics works and how it can predict outcomes anywhere from the outcome of a flipped coin to weither some woman from a "diversly cultural nation" will personally find you attractive.

I'm still waiting pal...for ANY statistic that shows women prefer one look over the rest.

Oh, and my argument is more about what look will have the highest "she personly finds attractive" statistic, not so much about which look has "The majority of women like it", not exactly the same. But Ill tell you right now, the italian male model's statistic will be far higher than that of a pale nerd despite women's tastes being subjective. :yes:

OMG!!! Where is this statistic? I would love to see it. :crackup: :crackup:


lol,

okay, thats fine, women can have varing tastes and we can still see that some "types of men" will have a higher probability of a woman finding him attractive as opposed to another type. FOR THE UMPTEENTH time.

Do you really think that this statistic will be the same for every possible type? yes or no? YES OR NO?

Who knows?!? There is nooo way we could find out what type of look women prefer. It would be impossible to find out. There is NOOO STATISTIC. Heck....even guys can be as fickle about looks. I can speak for myself personally. I like a whole assortment of looks. Also...some women that I am attracted to physically...I wasn't attracted physically...AT FIRST SIGHT. It took time....and all of a sudden one day for whatever reason...I found them physically attractive. Are you starting to see why predicting what type of look over others would be so hard?

The more money you have, the more gold diggers you get. Gold diggers arent exactly "almost all women" okay.

Women are ATTRACTED to successful men. That does not make them Gold diggers. Get over it.

who said saying "most white women wont sleep with black men" is racist statement?
can you prove that it is a racist statement? okay then!

ummmmm self explanatory. That is a racist statement. Why won't most white women sleep with black men? Answer that one for me.
No matter how you answer this question... you will sound like a RACIST(because you are).

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

No,

And because there is ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF of any IDEAL LOOK that women prefer and due to subjective nature of LOOKS...... we don't waste our time giving tips to people we can't even SEE.

Okay, I didnt ask you if you think there wasnt any "proof" about an "Ideal look". I asked you what your answer to this question was. It was "NO", and that was all you needed to say. Okay, now on with the argument.

Since your answer was "no", this means you agree that some men will have higher chances of a woman finding him attractive than others. So then it isnt "sooo totally subjective" now is it? the correct answer would have to be "YES" if it were totally subjective. But fortunetly its not, which you have to agree with, since your answer was no :yes:

The point is, since some men have higher/lower chances of a woman finding him attractive than other men (which you agree with ), then this means:

1. a man's chances of a woman seeing him as good looking is dependant on how he looks.

2. most importantly, since this statistic will be different depending on how he looks AND its possible to change how you look to an extent (since you said "no" to my question, this means youll agree with this one ) then this mean's a man can improve his statistic by correctly modifying how he looks. SO THEN IT IS POSSIBLE TO IMPROVE YOUR LOOKS!!! If a guy changes from "type A" to "Type B" ("A" could be pale nerd, and "B" could be italian stallion if we wanted), and he sees his statistic go from 10% to a 20% chance of a woman seeing him as attractive, then he has made an improvement!!!! DO YOU GET THIS GENIUS?

Now, every man has limits, becuase looks matter, and you can only improve your looks by so much. Again, the goal should not to be to exceed your maximum potential, but to reach it. So then, when it comes to improving your looks, the goal should be to find that look that makes your statistic as high as possible, not to make it some really high statistic such as 90% so that THE MAJORITY find you attractive, like we would all love (not possible for every man). For some men, their highest statistic possible could be 5%; only 5% will see him as good looking, the 95% others wont. But this is far better than his alternatives, which could easily be .0002% of a woman finding him as good looking. With a sorry ass 5% statistic, the man could still "try" a practical amount of hot babes, and walk away with one who thinks hes hot and then lay her. See, not hard in a world where looks matters!

This forum would serve as a way to exchange tips on how to improve a man's statistic okay? If you dont beleive me, Ill prove it to you right now with one tip I just pulled out of the air: GO TO THE GYM, WORK OUT, AND GET A NICE BODY. If a man follows this tip, chances are, hell increase his statistic of a woman seeing him as good looking :yes:. And you said I couldnt use this forum to provide tips on how to improve ones looks :crackup: Well, It looks like I just did buddy!!!