"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Girl gave me her number... and I failed
- Thread starter Snowman23
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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
TheBaconator
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You seriously need to step back and look at what happened.Snowman23 said:I'm wondering if this girl was even interested in me to begin with.
1.) You didn't make solid plans with her and then got mad at her when she planned something for you both to do. She didn't flake on you, you flaked on her and became a litlle baby because she planned something that didn't sit well with you.
2.) You constantly asked her about her ex, after meeting her what, a week ago? She's right, it's not your business to be poking into her affairs. Just because you are some jealous SOB doesn't make it right.
3.) You drunk dialed her at 4AM singing LOL!!!!
4.) She still took one of your calls, and politley told you "we'll see" on the prospects of getting together.
5.) You call her multiple times just 2 days later.
LMAO, wtf do you expect this woman to think? Guy who gets mad at her for not wanting to come out alone with him, asks about her ex, drunk dials her, curses her out, and then calls like a madman. She probably thinks you are a fckin lunatic, and rightfully so.
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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Kinda? No, more like absolutely. If you're exhibiting jerk behavior, there isn't any "maybe, kinda, sorta" about it. It either is or isn't.I was drinking and felt kinda dissed because I wasn't planning on this and I kinda acted like a jerk. sarcastically asking if she gave her number out to anybody. Well anyway I kept pushing it and asked about her ex
Probably somewhat. But then you stomped her interest out.I'm wondering if this girl was even interested in me to begin with.
You're thinking this may turn around? Highly doubtful it will, because the damage has been done. You're hoping it turns around because you're attracted to her cute face, but notice that she's not sticking in there hoping it turns around.
Notice how she avoided making plans with you at that stage.I asked her if she was gonna be around later this week and she told me she didn't know because she doesn't have her schedule from her manager yet.
Compare it to earlier, before you did your damage:
"I called her earlier in the week and asked if she was gonna be around on the weekend, she said yeah".
She didn't have to hear first from anyone then.
That was actually smart of you to avoid getting into a situation with unknowns and potential c@ckblockers before having enough time in with her to have her interest in you high enough to override her friend's opinions/interrogation.She was going to be with a couple of her friends and wanted me to come. I was thinking it was going to be just me and her. So anyway I didn't want to go
Now, maybe there was something about that invite that made you feel dissed as you said (maybe it was 'what? she doesn't want to go out with just me?'), and maybe it was warranted to feel that way, I wouldn't know. But to ACT like a jerk and say the wrong things because of how you felt was the mistake. You see that, don't you?
And leaving multiple VMs and calling at 4AM and calling right back from a friend's phone (she suspects that was you) signals an incredible amount of creep factor and neediness to a woman. There's no need to act like that.
If she's being at all civil to you, it's probably because now she's concerned that you may show up outside her window one night and wishes to keep you placated.