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I do agree a male friends motives are often suspect. But I feel OP did a good job in explaining himself.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
Cool.chevelle said:No worries Latinoman, i actually enjoyed getting to know this girl. It was well worth my time, she was a cool chic to know--just not girlfriend worthy. Perhaps it was wasted time to some, but no sense in me living in the past. The past is gone forever and i can't change it!
i think you want to nail the **** out of her like these other guys do. if you have a serious gf as you say you do...why are on here posting and replying and replying about a different girl you used to **** back in the day.Latinoman said:Exactly.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Exactly.drmeathead said:i think you want to nail the **** out of her like these other guys do. if you have a serious gf as you say you do...why are on here posting and replying and replying about a different girl you used to **** back in the day.
i am pretty sure if your friend bob from college didnt show up for something you wouldnt be lamenting in posts on a ladysman forum. man, you need to be real with yourself here. i dont know you and am not judging you but if you want to truely be happy you have ask yourself some questions.
do you still have feelings for this friend
are you happy with ur current gf or are you settling...really
are you doing your current gf right by overanalyzing the actions of this former sexual partner
I have to say this is something to consider.drmeathead said:i think you want to nail the **** out of her like these other guys do. if you have a serious gf as you say you do...why are on here posting and replying and replying about a different girl you used to **** back in the day.
i am pretty sure if your friend bob from college didnt show up for something you wouldnt be lamenting in posts on a ladysman forum. man, you need to be real with yourself here. i dont know you and am not judging you but if you want to truely be happy you have ask yourself some questions.
do you still have feelings for this friend
are you happy with ur current gf or are you settling...really
are you doing your current gf right by overanalyzing the actions of this former sexual partner
This is where the thread should have ended. You realize she doesn't offer anything.PhatE1vis said:I'm definitely the giver here. No doubt about it. And actually, that really helps put this in perspective...I'm not really losing much.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Elvis-PhatE1vis said:If my friend Bob from college, borrowing your analogy, didn't show up for something we planned I would at least expect him to call and cancel. That's what friends do.
And this wasn't "spending the holidays with her"...this was a quick brunch.
HAHAHAHA!PhatE1vis said:I'm wondering if she didn't consider this a friendship like I did but something else, and when she got the new b/f it didn't seem appropriate to her anymore. If that's the case, then I guess I can understand, but common courtesy is still required.
I just care. If I didn't care about you or some of the posters...I would have ignored your posts long time ago. But my style is "tough love". It allows you to think (even if you get upset) from the "outsider" perspective. And it is ALWAYS up to you to choose the direction you want to take.PhatE1vis said:Latinoman, I changed my mind about you. You do seem like a d!ck, but I can tell you're just keepin it real. Props.
You don't really have to restate anything. Just point out the obvious...clarify some points...and debate the points.PhatE1vis said:Thanks, STR8UP. I feel like I have to keep restating my position about this chick in this thread, which just makes me sound defensive and unbelieveable. That being said, I did get some good food for thought in the responses.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
PhatE1vis said:I have a friend, a girl, who recently flaked on me. We had plans to do something over the holidays - the day came and went, I gave her a call that day and texted the next, and never heard from her.
The backstory: we've been friends for about 3 years. We started as friends, went through a very brief period where we hooked up, and then went back to being friends. I have a gf and she just got a new bf. Also, we don't run in the same circles so it's unlikely that I'll see her out anywhere.
I know she's not dead through other sources. Seems a shame to lose someone I was close to most likely because she has a new bf now, but that may just be the way it is. Is there any recourse left here, or do I just chalk up my loses?
I agree with this and I find it reasonable.##17 said:She probably flaked on you because of the boyfriend, which was the right thing to do.
However, I am a big fan of keeping my word. I personally think that she owed you at least a text that the plans were off.
OK, so let me ask you this. In your opinion, is it ever OK to be friends with a chick you had something more with at one time without being, as you say, AFC? I guess I'm too sentimental...once I've felt something for someone, I have a hard time just chucking them, esp if it didn't end on bad terms. The sex thing I had with this chick was fun while it lasted, but she wanted more of a relationship at the time than I did, so I ended the sex part of it for my mental health.Latinoman said:HAHAHAHA!
You just want us to tell you that she has the hots for you.
Here is my answer...no...she does NOT have the hots for you. But you certainly have the hots for her.
Friend? Yeah right...VERY AFC maneuver, I might ask.
True, most likely I wouldn't have written the thread if it was a male friend, although I still would have been pissed. I think the fact that she's a female made it more of an ego shot for me. That STILL doesn't mean I want to nail her, but I will admit that my feelings were hurt. And rather than contact her to vent and lose all pride, I'm venting here.##17 said:I'm also wondering if she is really just a friend to you. You wouldn't have written this thread if a MALE friend bailed on you instead, would you?
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.