MatureDJ
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"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Forced Loneliness
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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
KontrollerX
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Thoughts...
Bill is a creepy serial killer type which is why he is alone.
Dwayne has an incredible winning personality but until he loses all the weight or becomes a famous rapper like Big Pun or B.I.G was with status and bling no western woman will give him the time of day.
Steve Hoca is an ugly nerd and already betrayed these guys. He tried to make money off of people sending him email letters and Bill kicked him out of the movement. Then Steve made a bunch of insult videos towards Bill and Dwayne.
TFL gets humorously and visciously mocked regularly at the Sherdog Off Topic forums by the losers there that think they are going to be the next MMA star but all in all I'm glad someone else posted about this stuff on Sosusave not long back because its provided the kind of weird entertainment I've always loved that you can only get on the internet.
Ultimately the TFL movement is one big self defeating mess.
They do make some good points but the movement boils down to getting all men everywhere to stop interacting with women until they start giving more losers a chance so that absolutely no one is alone.
On one hand its a bit of a noble sentiment but on the other hand it would be forcing women to get with guys they don't want to get with and forcing someone to do anything is not right.
Bottom line is these guys need to step up their game in life and dismantle this movement.
What Bill needs to do is lose the hat, get some plastic surgery on that upper lip to make it look more normal and non threatening, take some speech therapy classes to speak articulately and be pleasant for women to listen to, throw out the lame ass country western music, get some new and decent clothes and I'm not talking new t-shirts and jeans but a casual dresswear type of suit and pants, invest in contacts or anti reflective Crizal Alize polycarbonate glasses and lose the negative attitude and he'll be no longer lonely in say maybe two years after all of the hard work.
Dwayne just needs to lose the weight and re-apply what he calls the "PUA stuff" that previously failed him. It failed him because of weight not because it doesn't work.
Steve Hoca needs to stop being a goony traitorous theiving nerd and actually stand for something in life and maybe he'll get someone finally.
Bill is a creepy serial killer type which is why he is alone.
Dwayne has an incredible winning personality but until he loses all the weight or becomes a famous rapper like Big Pun or B.I.G was with status and bling no western woman will give him the time of day.
Steve Hoca is an ugly nerd and already betrayed these guys. He tried to make money off of people sending him email letters and Bill kicked him out of the movement. Then Steve made a bunch of insult videos towards Bill and Dwayne.
TFL gets humorously and visciously mocked regularly at the Sherdog Off Topic forums by the losers there that think they are going to be the next MMA star but all in all I'm glad someone else posted about this stuff on Sosusave not long back because its provided the kind of weird entertainment I've always loved that you can only get on the internet.
Ultimately the TFL movement is one big self defeating mess.
They do make some good points but the movement boils down to getting all men everywhere to stop interacting with women until they start giving more losers a chance so that absolutely no one is alone.
On one hand its a bit of a noble sentiment but on the other hand it would be forcing women to get with guys they don't want to get with and forcing someone to do anything is not right.
Bottom line is these guys need to step up their game in life and dismantle this movement.
What Bill needs to do is lose the hat, get some plastic surgery on that upper lip to make it look more normal and non threatening, take some speech therapy classes to speak articulately and be pleasant for women to listen to, throw out the lame ass country western music, get some new and decent clothes and I'm not talking new t-shirts and jeans but a casual dresswear type of suit and pants, invest in contacts or anti reflective Crizal Alize polycarbonate glasses and lose the negative attitude and he'll be no longer lonely in say maybe two years after all of the hard work.
Dwayne just needs to lose the weight and re-apply what he calls the "PUA stuff" that previously failed him. It failed him because of weight not because it doesn't work.
Steve Hoca needs to stop being a goony traitorous theiving nerd and actually stand for something in life and maybe he'll get someone finally.
[S]alvatore
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Fu<k, what a loser Steve is.
And maybe if Bill didn't wear that stupid hat he might get some.
And maybe if Bill didn't wear that stupid hat he might get some.
[S]alvatore
Master Don Juan
What a nagging little b!tch he is. Depressing.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
BadsnakeUK
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What the f*ck? What a f*cking fat f*cking loser. I'm not surprised the fat f*cking c*nt can't get a f*cking woman. Sitting at home feeding his fat f*cking face and f*cking b*tching on f*cking Youtube!!! Seriously, what the f*cking f*ck?!
OK. Fat guy impression over. In all seriousness, this is exactly the kind of crap that keeps everyone, male and female, from achieving their potential. Its just p1ssing in the wind and making excuses, blaming other people for their problems. If these guys took a good hard look at their lives and pulled themselves together, they'd have a much better chance of getting laid and being better human beings in general.
OK. Fat guy impression over. In all seriousness, this is exactly the kind of crap that keeps everyone, male and female, from achieving their potential. Its just p1ssing in the wind and making excuses, blaming other people for their problems. If these guys took a good hard look at their lives and pulled themselves together, they'd have a much better chance of getting laid and being better human beings in general.
I started watching the first one to see if it resonated with me. A couple years ago, this would have been me, no question. BEFORE I discovered So Suave.
I am not banging girls at this moment. Probably because I still have some of the left over attitudes these guys have.
But it doesn't really matter. My entire outlook on life, and women has changed. I've learned the power of qualifying women, and I've seen with my own eyes how chicks will drive themselves insane to be around you if you project confidence and control your frame. This has happened with about three women now, and I feel like I'm about to graduate into "normal sexual relations" lol.
I'd say the biggest stumbling block for me has been to ACCEPT that I actually have the ability, charisma, and can OBSERVE my interactions with women now, and sort of predict based on what I've learned and experienced, where it's going to lead. I see patterns all over the place. The biggest obstacle for me right now is accepting that these women are in fact responding to ME, reset, that they are putting in all the effort to be around ME. "Wow this chick is so hot, no way she's chasing me like this" but she is. Not accepting that reflects my previous bad self-image.
Anyway. Stuff like this is depressing but it's important for guys to watch it I guess and see if they see themselves in it.
And f'ing stuff like that.
I am not banging girls at this moment. Probably because I still have some of the left over attitudes these guys have.
But it doesn't really matter. My entire outlook on life, and women has changed. I've learned the power of qualifying women, and I've seen with my own eyes how chicks will drive themselves insane to be around you if you project confidence and control your frame. This has happened with about three women now, and I feel like I'm about to graduate into "normal sexual relations" lol.
I'd say the biggest stumbling block for me has been to ACCEPT that I actually have the ability, charisma, and can OBSERVE my interactions with women now, and sort of predict based on what I've learned and experienced, where it's going to lead. I see patterns all over the place. The biggest obstacle for me right now is accepting that these women are in fact responding to ME, reset, that they are putting in all the effort to be around ME. "Wow this chick is so hot, no way she's chasing me like this" but she is. Not accepting that reflects my previous bad self-image.
Anyway. Stuff like this is depressing but it's important for guys to watch it I guess and see if they see themselves in it.
And f'ing stuff like that.
MikeEdward1973
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What I want to know is, how do they account for guys who do get dates, and have success with women? Have they addressed this?
I think these guys are awesome (in a hilarious way).
is it really a movement, or just 3 guys on Youtube?
I think these guys are awesome (in a hilarious way).
is it really a movement, or just 3 guys on Youtube?
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
betterthandead
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Hey, if anyone needs an example of a male version of an attention h0, these two videos are it.
MatureDJ said:
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Holy sh!t what a pack of wankers.
The words "WE JUST DONT GET IT" should be stamped on their foreheads. Or "we just dont fvckin get it" for the fat, black jabba the hutt one.
Yes "technically" you may be right but it's a moot point. Because women have it just as tough, Just their version of it. If she had our version her already fragile mind would snap in two along with her body, then she would quickly turn to dust. They are just not built for it you see?
The words "WE JUST DONT GET IT" should be stamped on their foreheads. Or "we just dont fvckin get it" for the fat, black jabba the hutt one.
Not true (in the sense you mean) and even if it was true (which it isn't). Men are built tougher anyway, with the intestinal fortitude, the physical and mental strength that women cannot even imagine, so logically it would work out about even.Unprez said:
Yes "technically" you may be right but it's a moot point. Because women have it just as tough, Just their version of it. If she had our version her already fragile mind would snap in two along with her body, then she would quickly turn to dust. They are just not built for it you see?
MikeYikes122
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Actually, Dwayne's forehead should say "WE JUST DON'T GET IT, and stuff"( . )( . ) said:
I was a counselor years ago and I would see people like this who are high functioning enough to make a semi-plausible defense of their own personality disorder.
These guys are, essentially, mentally ill. I would diagnose them with an Axis II Personality Disorder.
Their “movement” is nothing more than a defense mechanism to justify their own positions, not accept responsibility for their lives, and portray themselves as “victims” of some external force of which they have no control.
The underlying assumptions are self-destructive and defeatist.
They perfectly illustrate what not to be:
1) They do not accept responsibility for their lives.
2) They blame others for their plight.
3) They are socially isolated.
4) They are narcissistic and self-reinforce their attitudes by isolating themselves
5) They fear the world and feel powerless in it.
They are anti-DJ’s. Thankfully, their genes will die with them.
These guys are, essentially, mentally ill. I would diagnose them with an Axis II Personality Disorder.
Their “movement” is nothing more than a defense mechanism to justify their own positions, not accept responsibility for their lives, and portray themselves as “victims” of some external force of which they have no control.
The underlying assumptions are self-destructive and defeatist.
They perfectly illustrate what not to be:
1) They do not accept responsibility for their lives.
2) They blame others for their plight.
3) They are socially isolated.
4) They are narcissistic and self-reinforce their attitudes by isolating themselves
5) They fear the world and feel powerless in it.
They are anti-DJ’s. Thankfully, their genes will die with them.
dopexile
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Force Loneliness... yeah ok. Someone put a gun to that guys head, forced him over eat until he was fat and unattractive to women, and then forced him to sit on youtube and cry like a school girl.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
LeftyLoosey
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Ask yourself something: are you happy with who you are? Chances are you aren't. Don't think of it as working to win over women, think of it as working to make yourself into who you want to be. Women will be a by-product of your personal success.Unprez said:
KontrollerX
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"Dwayne a winning personality? The OT for losers?
You dont have a ****ing clue."
Dwayne has a lot of negative limiting beliefs but he also possesses the gift of gab.
If he were to lose the weight and re-apply the PUA stuff using his natural gift of being able to talk a lot about various things he'd go far with chicks and far in life.
And yes the OT is for losers.
I've read the Sherdog forum and its just a bunch of forum elitist idiots no different from Somethingawful forums or anywhere else online where people create some little group and make fun of others without showing their own pictures all the while talking about how awesome they are.
If you enjoy that sort of thing more power to you.
Don't let me be the one to p!ss in your cornflakes.
You dont have a ****ing clue."
Dwayne has a lot of negative limiting beliefs but he also possesses the gift of gab.
If he were to lose the weight and re-apply the PUA stuff using his natural gift of being able to talk a lot about various things he'd go far with chicks and far in life.
And yes the OT is for losers.
I've read the Sherdog forum and its just a bunch of forum elitist idiots no different from Somethingawful forums or anywhere else online where people create some little group and make fun of others without showing their own pictures all the while talking about how awesome they are.
If you enjoy that sort of thing more power to you.
Don't let me be the one to p!ss in your cornflakes.
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yes they will be. If guys actually liked themselves women would come naturally. They wouldn't have to force it. I realize this and this is the route I've chosen to go. Now when I get a negative thought about myself it pisses me off because it has no place.LeftyLoosey said:
That one guy, the ringleader, Bill, ain't the brightest tool in the shed, so to speak. He appears to be borderline retarded, literally.
I am not a grammar nazi, but I can tell the difference from when someone makes absent minded spelling errors and typos and when someone is truly illiterate, or near illiterate like Bill is. Additionally, he rambles on incoherently half the time, he cannot make a good argument, he has no ability whatsoever to construct a logical argument from his premise. IMO this is a sign of someone who has low intelligence.
These guys complain in their vedeos that women like "bad boys" and that they would rather date a guy who just got out of the penitentiary than normal decent men such as themselves. I think they must be in a different social class than what I am used to. I don't know of women who like to date ex-convicts, I am sure some women do, I just don't seem to meet or hang around those types of women.
That being said, I think there is something to this. Things are messed up in the dating world, and this is just a symptom of the rampant social problems and confusion of men in the modern dating scene. Even though a lot of the blame rests with these individuals, our society is far from perfect and does deserved to be blamed for men like this.
If our society was perfect there would not be people going crazy like the VT killer, Columbine shooters, etc. However, I disagree with Bill that serial killers are the result of sexually frustrated men. The facts do not agree with this assertion. Scott Peterson and Ted Bundy were more like successful PUA's than like these guys, they were naturals with women-they just killed the women they successfully seduced or married.
I am not a grammar nazi, but I can tell the difference from when someone makes absent minded spelling errors and typos and when someone is truly illiterate, or near illiterate like Bill is. Additionally, he rambles on incoherently half the time, he cannot make a good argument, he has no ability whatsoever to construct a logical argument from his premise. IMO this is a sign of someone who has low intelligence.
These guys complain in their vedeos that women like "bad boys" and that they would rather date a guy who just got out of the penitentiary than normal decent men such as themselves. I think they must be in a different social class than what I am used to. I don't know of women who like to date ex-convicts, I am sure some women do, I just don't seem to meet or hang around those types of women.
That being said, I think there is something to this. Things are messed up in the dating world, and this is just a symptom of the rampant social problems and confusion of men in the modern dating scene. Even though a lot of the blame rests with these individuals, our society is far from perfect and does deserved to be blamed for men like this.
If our society was perfect there would not be people going crazy like the VT killer, Columbine shooters, etc. However, I disagree with Bill that serial killers are the result of sexually frustrated men. The facts do not agree with this assertion. Scott Peterson and Ted Bundy were more like successful PUA's than like these guys, they were naturals with women-they just killed the women they successfully seduced or married.
KontrollerX
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It was revealed Steve only joined the group because he thought he could make money off of it. In other words he is a conman. Not ever a real TFL member.
As for genetics Dwayne gave that answer to all of the idiots who kept asking him how he got to be so fat. He didn't bring it up as an excuse for why he was not successful with women.
He has said in videos that he is going to physical therapy now on doctors orders to build up his heart for normal workouts that can really help him lose the fat when his heart is ready. So yeah he is combatting the weight problem head on.
As for the blaming of women you got me there.
Dwayne is misguided though with this as once again if he loses all of the weight and re-applies the PUA stuff he will get all the success he wants in life.
As for genetics Dwayne gave that answer to all of the idiots who kept asking him how he got to be so fat. He didn't bring it up as an excuse for why he was not successful with women.
He has said in videos that he is going to physical therapy now on doctors orders to build up his heart for normal workouts that can really help him lose the fat when his heart is ready. So yeah he is combatting the weight problem head on.
As for the blaming of women you got me there.
Dwayne is misguided though with this as once again if he loses all of the weight and re-applies the PUA stuff he will get all the success he wants in life.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.