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Fem-cvnts make a blatant misandry parody of Robin Thicke's "Blurred Lines"

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speed dawg said:
How about you stop doing the EXACT same thing you are b*tching at him about, and give a decent retort.
All my arguments are on the last page. Ive done nothing but give the OP lengthy detailed retorts. If you need a refresher on where I stand, actually go read them.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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Jaylan said:
All my arguments are on the last page. Ive done nothing but give the OP lengthy detailed retorts. If you need a refresher on where I stand, actually go read them.
I did, and I responded. You resorted to shaming.
 

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speed dawg said:
I did, and I responded. You resorted to shaming.
LOLOLOL

I love this typical answer on this board. All guys ever do here is shame men who think differently than them, but love using this response when someone dares to counter them. Heres what happened; feminists shamed men in a video, so OP started a thread shaming the feminists with the hateful language that the fems accused some men of.

Thereafter people were shaming and emasculating men of differing viewpoints in the SAME WAY feminists do. I already made my points regarding this hypocrisy. How in the world can someone talk down to feminists and other men about shaming, yet go on to use shaming and emasculation tactics the SAME WAY the worst feminists do? Its like two sides of the same coin with how the worst feminists behave, and how some of you here behave.

Try again.
 

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Jaylan said:
Get over yourself bro, but keep whining if you must. Whats so masculine about getting all emotional such that you yourself lose your critical thinking and insult someone rather than directly respond to their points? You are really going to let other men do it for you, yet youre trying to talk about someone elses lack of masculinity?

Do go on.:rolleyes:

PS - How do you expect to be taken seriously when you present your argument like a angsty immature teenager? Thats exactly why guys like you only have the internet to voice your complaints. Once you realize how to properly debate someone and not be a hypocrite, then maybe you can actually combat hardcore feminism in the mainstream. The general public wont take you seriously otherwise.
Gaylan-

I could barely understand you with that big tube steak in your mouth, but let me enlighten you:

The AE forum is a place for rants, raves, and tongue-in-cheek threads. Had I really had systematic and cogent case to make, I would have done in in the MM forum or on my own blog. I merely wanted to point out how ludicrous and over-the-top this parody video was in response to a music vid that is not even quasi-misogynous.

Why don't I respond to your retorts with more substance?? Because I think you are a worthless troll, and arguably a female posing as a male. I can spend my free time responding to posts that interest me, writing new stuff on my own blog, or reading something productive. Unlike your vaginosis-ridden as$ I genuinely don't have time to invest in a multi-page p!ssing match on something relatively insignificant.

Do you really want to debate? I don't think you have the education, critical thinking, or the analytical reasoning powers to debate me on an even playing field. And you can take that as a challenge. I think you would fail because you lack the perception to even ascertain my level of seriousness in this thread. Maybe you're a good guy (girl) in real life, but on this forum, you are a troll, and a fag. Why do you think you get blasted all the time by mods, newbies, and veterans alike? It's because you're being a contrarian little troll and your arguments have been disproven already.

So I'll let you get back to nuzzling feminist's buttholes and gargling man spackle. We'll all be waiting for your profound reply. :cheer:
 

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Jaylan said:
LOLOLOL

I love this typical answer on this board. All guys ever do here is shame men who think differently than them, but love using this response when someone dares to counter them. Heres what happened; feminists shamed men in a video, so OP started a thread shaming the feminists with the hateful language that the fems accused some men of.

Thereafter people were shaming and emasculating men of differing viewpoints in the SAME WAY feminists do. I already made my points regarding this hypocrisy. How in the world can someone talk down to feminists and other men about shaming, yet go on to use shaming and emasculation tactics the SAME WAY the worst feminists do? Its like two sides of the same coin with how the worst feminists behave, and how some of you here behave.

Try again.
Respond to my post on the first page, you damned 3rd grader.
 

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Colossus said:
I could barely understand you with that big tube steak in your mouth, but let me enlighten you:

The AE forum is a place for rants, raves, and tongue-in-cheek threads. Had I really had systematic and cogent case to make, I would have done in in the MM forum or on my own blog. I merely wanted to point out how ludicrous and over-the-top this parody video was in response to a music vid that is not even quasi-misogynous.
Gaylan is on his man-period, as usual. Trying to engage in rational debate with that guy is a waste of time.
 

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speed dawg said:
Respond to my post on the first page, you damned 3rd grader.
Werent you the one who told me you didnt want to get into it with me? So I left your posts alone to avoid the inevitable circular debate that always follow with you. Especially since you generally show a clear inability to have a discussion with me without some form of ad hominem attack. Now if you can actually put your emotions aside and have a mature debate, Ill gladly respond to you.
speed dawg said:
In case you didn't notice, it was the fem cvnts who did this, in response to the Robin Thicke video. Not the SoSuave masses.

"Move along, straight masculine whitey, nothing to see here. You should be used to it so get over it"......that's the message you send, Gaylan. Like it or not, that's how it comes across on this site. There is nothing wrong with standing up for equality or whatever, just don't do the double standard thing. Seriously, you need to quit, you sound bad. Trust me. I mean, f*ck that noise, just because I'm white and I'm a masculine man, I'm not taking any sh*t from blacks or fem-cvnts, either one. You're out of your f*cking mind if you think men are going to let this stuff ride with no consequence. The time for civil rights and women's rights is over. It's done. The battle was won. Now they have become the aggressors, and they WILL encounter resistance, especially from men at this site, who are unplugged from the 'matrix'.

And don't waste time with your preaching back at me. I'm just trying to help you now.
In case you didnt notice, my point was this; They are attacking a specific group of men. If you are not in that group of men, then dismiss those women and go on about more constructive ways of combating their viewpoints. When you act like a bigot, by using bigoted language, you only increase their credibility by lowering your own.

Look at it this way; if you wouldnt speak a certain way on a nationally televised debate where you are trying to garner support for your cause, then you shouldnt speak that way when arguing against something. The feminists who are taken seriously in the mainstream sure dont use the same language and imagery as that parody video...and I see them on TV and such quite a bit.

And even despite all that...if you feel that feminism is ruling society at the moment, behaving in the negative light that feminists see you in WILL NOT help further causes against them. I shouldnt, but I will use a civil rights movement comparison. MLK and other leaders of the movement preached non-violence, church-going, education, and solidarity. These leaders told blacks, other minorities, and their supporters to behave in a way that did not give their opposition fuel to combat them with. And its because the black community has gotten away from some of these things, that we are now not taken seriously by many people (much more so than in the past)

When you behave in the negative way feminists paint many men as, you play RIGHT INTO THEIR HAND, and they continue to win. You cannot be taken seriously in a system you see as set up against you when you behave in the negative way the system sees you as. How is any of what I said incorrect? If you want to beat your so called evil detractors, you cannot always stoop to their level.

And cool it with the straight masculine white guy crap. Thats a big problem with the manosphere in general, and Ive said it before, as well as other guys here have said. Men need to come together as a whole. How does division based on race or perceived mascunlinity help anything? You know there are actually problems men face that arent unique to one subset of men. There are certain things that all men relate to.

Why do you think feminism worked so well? Because it was about ALL women. It wasnt just about straight white women, however many feminists in the present day do feel that feminism has become about just white chick issues. But thats a whole different discussion.
Bokanovsky said:
Gaylan is on his man-period, as usual. Trying to engage in rational debate with that guy is a waste of time.
Says the guy who usually can only throw around insults like a chick on her period. See what I did there, Im acting like you.

You speak about how I cannot have a rational debate, yet I presented very credible arguments without insults in my initial postings. Its clear that some of you refuse to understand whats being said.

Basically, to you guys, irrational = "stuff I disagree with".
 

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Jaylan said:
You speak about how I cannot have a rational debate, yet I presented very credible arguments without insults in my initial postings.
No, you didn't. There was absolutely nothing "credible" about your arguments, as evidenced by the reaction that you have received. You are being ridiculed because your arguments are ridiculous...simple as that.
 

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Colossus said:
Gaylan-

I could barely understand you with that big tube steak in your mouth, but let me enlighten you:
Lmao, another pathetic insult. Its always funny to me how guys have big mouths online, but never say this crap to my face in the real world. Sure you may respond by saying you would, but Ive had many fiery debates in my day, and dudes never get their knickers bunched like you that they lash out.

Most are smart enough to know that such behavior makes their position look weak. But I guess the internet is different, and its about who can puff their chest the most. But at the end of the day, internet complaints arent gonna get things done like real world activism. Its ok though that youre so bothered by different viewpoints that you need to resort to acting like a kindergartner.
The AE forum is a place for rants, raves, and tongue-in-cheek threads. Had I really had systematic and cogent case to make, I would have done in in the MM forum or on my own blog. I merely wanted to point out how ludicrous and over-the-top this parody video was in response to a music vid that is not even quasi-misogynous.
haha, as if you really had a decent case to make. It was hypocritical complaints like I pointed out in my initial post. You cannot whine about feminists calling you a bigot, and then use bigoted language. Its like someone b!tching about supposed race baitors, but then using racist slurs against someone. And dude, just because you dont think the original video is misogynous does not mean there arent many who perceive it that way.

Thats no different than whats happening to guys complaining in the comment thread of the parody video. They are being told its not misandrist. But just because someone else doesnt perceive it that way, doesnt mean their view of it is incorrect. So Im telling you the same thing Id tell the feminists in the comments of that video...stop being immature biased little whiners who have the inability to see things through someone elses eyes.

How in the world do any of you expect to combat gender problems if both sides are constantly trying to tell the other that they are imagining things?

Why don't I respond to your retorts with more substance?? Because I think you are a worthless troll, and arguably a female posing as a male. I can spend my free time responding to posts that interest me, writing new stuff on my own blog, or reading something productive. Unlike your vaginosis-ridden as$ I genuinely don't have time to invest in a multi-page p!ssing match on something relatively insignificant.
I wouldnt expect a immature emotional man to be able to have a structured and mature debate on this issue. All you can do is try to insult my character. Its all rather funny to me. Whenever people disagree with each other on this forum, all losers like you can do is seek to emasculate them with insults about vagina, gays, or them being a female. Ive seen it happen to backbreaker, SocialLeper, Zarky, and others. Some of you really need to grow up.

Do you really want to debate? I don't think you have the education, critical thinking, or the analytical reasoning powers to debate me on an even playing field. And you can take that as a challenge. I think you would fail because you lack the perception to even ascertain my level of seriousness in this thread. Maybe you're a good guy (girl) in real life, but on this forum, you are a troll, and a fag. Why do you think you get blasted all the time by mods, newbies, and veterans alike? It's because you're being a contrarian little troll and your arguments have been disproven already.

So I'll let you get back to nuzzling feminist's buttholes and gargling man spackle. We'll all be waiting for your profound reply.
BRING IT ON THEN. Instead of insulting my education or reasoning abilities, why dont you freaking bring it. Dont keep insulting me, running away from my viewpoints without directly addressing them, and talking about how you "dont have the time". If you can talk all that bunk when Ive directly challenged your positions, then back up your big talk and lets have a mature debate. Stop acting like a damn grade schooler. Be a man, and dont behave like an internet troll.

Its funny how you call me a troll, when I wasnt the one insulting people in my initial posts. I made valid arguments on how a man should behave when combating feminists. You will never be taken seriously with the way you behave. All you will have is a forum or a blog, because no one listens to immature, insulting, whiny hypocrites. You want to counter the worst of the feminists?

Then take a page out of the Danger book and learn to debate with someone the way you would in real life. With rational, logic, and without insults. You know, by not behaving like a false bravado internet troll. Because I know for certain you wouldnt dare conduct yourslef like this in a real live debate....because itd cause you to lose all your credibility...the same way feminists who sit and insult people have little credibility.

And who gives a damn if I have detractors? I have had noobies, veterans and a couple mods agree with my posts across threads on this forum...so whats your point? No one has people agree with them all the time. Ive not trying to subscribe to some kind of group think. I have my own opinions, and some folks agree and disagree with them. Fact of the matter is that when people disagree with me, my first inclination isnt to insult them and run around arguments for several posts.
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No, you didn't. There was absolutely nothing "credible" about your arguments, as evidenced by the reaction that you have received. You are being ridiculed because your arguments are ridiculous...simple as that.
Dont gimme that garbage. All it is, is that some of you are so emotionally tied to your arguments that you can only lash out when someone dares to challenge them. I never initially disagree with someone by insulting them, yet thats all some of you can do.

And you guys really expect the world to change and for your voices to be heard? They NEVER will if you behave like that. Im not the only one saying this. Some of the most respected guys in the manosphere and PUA community say the SAME EXACT THINGS. That to be taken seriously and combat the worst of feminists, you cannot play into their hand or act immaturely.

How is that incorrect or lacking credibility? Whats so lacking about telling someone that its hypocritical to argue against being called a bigot, yet in their next breath use bigoted language? Please directly answer these questions. No running backwards and telling me how Im wrong without explaining why.

Answer the questions directly and explain to me why Im wrong and why you disagree. Tell me why Im wrong for stating that men should behave better than the worst of feminists and not stoop down to their level. For once Bokanovsky, how about you explain your position without the lame little one or two liners you always use.
 

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Jaylan said:
Dont gimme that garbage. All it is, is that some of you are so emotionally tied to your arguments that you can only lash out when someone dares to challenge them.
Everything that you accuse others of applies to yourself first and foremost. You are one of the most emotional posters on here, constantly getting your feelings hurt and crying like a baby.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Bokanovsky said:
Everything that you accuse others of applies to yourself first and foremost. You are one of the most emotional posters on here, constantly getting your feelings hurt and crying like a baby.
Another 2 line reply where you ignore the rest of my post. Again I say;

What have I said in this thread which is incorrect or lacking credibility? Whats so lacking about telling someone that its hypocritical to argue against being called a bigot, yet in their next breath use bigoted language? Please directly answer these questions. No running backwards and telling me how Im wrong without explaining why.

Answer the questions directly and explain to me why Im wrong and why you disagree. Tell me why Im wrong for stating that men should behave better than the worst of feminists and not stoop down to their level. For once Bokanovsky, how about you explain your position without the lame little one or two liners you always use.
 

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^ you are explaining my position better than I ever could, with all your highlighting, underlining, bolding, redding, whining, making unnecessarily lengthy posts to "explain yourself" and prove your "enemies" wrong...and generally coming across as someone who is, to use your favourite expression, very much bvtthurt. As if it that wasn't enough, you are also in the habit of giving negative reps to anyone who disagrees with you. You've got all the emotional maturity of a 13-year-old girl.
 

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Danger said:
What is most hilarious, is that women blame MEN for the other women who portray themselves as sex objects.

Think about that.

When men act like idiots, I don't blame women. I blame men.
But when women act like sex objects, the women blame men.

:rolleyes:
/endthread
 

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Bokanovsky said:
^ you are explaining my position better than I ever could, with all your highlighting, underlining, bolding, redding, whining, making unnecessarily lengthy posts to "explain yourself" and prove your "enemies" wrong...and generally coming across as someone who is, to use your favourite expression, very much bvtthurt. As if it that wasn't enough, you are also in the habit of giving negative reps to anyone who disagrees with you. You've got all the emotional maturity of a 13-year-old girl.
And are you not proving my point? All you have done is avoid the main topic and throw out character attacks. Its funny how youre actually the one behaving like a teenager. As per usual you cannot actually carry on a debate. Basically this is what happens when you enter a thread;

*Person A presents their viewpoint*

Bokanovsky: "Youre wrong because youre wrong" *insert insult for good measure* *avoid actually explaining why Person A's viewpoint is faulty.*

Sad. The only reason youre carrying on like this now is because YOU KNOW IM RIGHT and you cannot refute that. Nothing Ive said about how men should respond to feminists is incorrect. For men to fight the worst of feminists we cannot stoop down to their level. Its decreases our credibility and thus increases theirs. In a society controlled by your adversary, you cannot give your adversary ammo to use against you. Thats my main point, and you know its right.

PS - Are you complaining about neg reps when you give them out yourself? Why whine about the rep system? Its there for people to give out positive and negative rep points. Deal with it.
 

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Colossus said:
Why don't I respond to your retorts with more substance?? Because I think you are a worthless troll, and arguably a female posing as a male.

Gender genie agrees with you.

Female = 1262
Male = 978
Difference = -284; 43.66%
Verdict: FEMALE

Not as high as his fellow blue pill pushers zarky and potato who continually score off the richter, but it's up there.
 

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Good old Gender Genie. Potato is off the charts. I'm undecided on Zarky.

I'd say if you took an average of 10 or more posts and they all come up as female, you have a winner. Even the manliest of posters could have the occasional "feminine" composition.
 

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yeah guys robin thicke's video is offensive!

it's very offensive when women voluntarily agree to make more in a couple hours at most(while shooting the video) than you'll make in the last fiscal quarter of 2013 by dancing topless next to rich, famous, young, handsome, talented, male celebrities

http://www.lolbrary.com/lolpics/792/oh-the-huemanatee-7792.jpg
 

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Either those women have free agency and we should encourage their brave empowerment to be their natural self or they are being exploited and someone smarter than them needs to be legally responsible for their behavior and provide firm guidance.
 

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Hello all. Recently got banned from Loveshack on trumped up BS, was a prolific poster there often accused of being a plant from this site or other PUA sites. Amazed I lasted as long as I did actually. Browsing here to see where the comparisons came from, and lo and behold, it's my old Loveshack friend kaylan/jaylan. Just had to register and say hi!

Jaylan said:
Women have legitimate gripes with the imagery and language of the original video,
"Women" don't generally care about objectification in media, feminists do. "Feminism" ~= "women." Nonfeminist women, the vast majority, understand that we live in a sex-drenched culture, hell they enthusiastically help create it, and realize we have bigger fish to fry in a world full of problems than some pop music video. Moreover, anyone with a grasp of history, women included, understands that -men- have been the primary targets of objectification for all of human history in their role as servers and protectors of women, the reproductive capacity. There is no greater "object" than someone who has been told they have to fight for the king or give up a lifeboat seat due to their gender. That's all changing blessedly, but make no mistake, human history is primarily a study in -male- not female objectification.

Feminists care about such minutiae in their "first world problem" type of way because they are scraping the barrel to maintain legitimacy. The lies of feminism are increasingly transparent due to the net and other technology, and their shrill shrieks through a bullhorn for 50 years are becoming less and less relevant or tolerable to reasonable people with alternative media to consume instead of leftgovmedia. The entire movement always was a method of socialist agitprop towards maintaining a female voting bloc on the left, that's all it ever was, and with more and more discriminatory feminist lobbied laws coming down the pike, they are running out of real things to wail about. Hell, they are given everything they ask for on a platter, and always have been given it.

Jaylan said:
Calling them cvnts and getting all pissy doesnt help your point.
Let's explore this as well. My definition of "c-nt" is a self-absorbed woman to the point of solipsism, an unpleasant woman who is always playing the victim and stirring up drama to get attention, and that's exactly what feminists are. They have created a whole victimology of no substance whatsoever by ignoring and distorting real history for political gain. By falsely dichotomizing the historical experience of the genders into "victim" and "oppressor" factions, they seek to hog up all the problems in the world as "their problems, their issues," now and in the past, for political gain, not any reasonable conception of equality. Once you have worked for awhile, you will see the very real legal and cultural results up close and in a personal way. Just remember when you do that dasein told you all about it many times in many ways.

But yeah, they are c-nts, and c-nts they will remain, more and more shrill and shrewish as they become less and less relevant and tolerated. Mark my words on that. Feminism is cultural historical solipsism and socialist poison that feeds naturally into women's self-preservation instincts, which explains its appeal among weak-minded sheeple of both genders wallowing in victimologies.
 

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Jaylan said:
^Read the edited PS in my last comment. I could use your same logic whenever guys in the PUA community or manosphere complain about anything....I could say "well look at how so many other men voluntarily behave". But thats a cop out.
Wanted to comment on the above also. Can you not see the difference between the negligible energy and time expended to post a complaint about this or that on internet forums in the "manosphere" or wherever, and spending the far greater time and energy to make a video hyping a social problem as greater than it is? One takes a couple of minutes, the other? who knows, but significant time and resources.

I don't know much about Robin Thicke, but suspect his fame is primarily due to a -female- not male audience, making the vitriolic response targeted at men generally seem ironically hypocritical. It's actually like a closed dialogue between a female audience for Thicke and feminists in that respect. A provocative video is a business method for him, gets publicity, raises controversy... big $$$. What do these feminists have to gain by their video? Well for one, a focus on the narcissism of feminism and its constant stirring of tempests in teapots and the first world upper middle white problems it dwells on at others' expense ("let's have another rape forum and initiative on campuses where rape rarely occurs, while hundreds of men are being raped in the prison a few counties over!").

For another, illumination of the double standards and fractured perspective of feminism generally, i.e. show tit and ass and "justify" a grotesquely over the top response... feminism has no sense of perspective or proportion, it's like a religion with inquisitors and heretics in that respect, looking for the next sackcloth and ashes opportunity to bring out the stake and fire to keep the peasants in line. The peasants are starting to wonder if the indulgences they pay for are buying anything other than more priestly abuse, and feminism's Luther is in the offing.

Surely you can see the difference here. There is no "splitting the blame baby" to be done, rationally anyway.
 
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