"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

Read more...

Factors that get a man bumped down on the looks scale

GoodMan32

Master Don Juan
Joined
Oct 14, 2022
Messages
2,386
Reaction score
651
I mentioned on another thread that, as a result of being on the spectrum, my looks rating effectively gets bumped down a few points (In other words, even though I'm a 7, I largely get treated like I'm a 4).

In some cases, my social awkwardness even gets me viewed as a 1.

Another poster recommended I start a thread about the topic. Might as well.

So here's the purpose of the thread: It isn't just a spectrum thread. It's a thread to discuss any factor that gets a man bumped down from his actual looks score.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

Read more...

corrector

Master Don Juan
Joined
Oct 12, 2009
Messages
10,398
Reaction score
4,068
I mentioned on another thread that, as a result of being on the spectrum, my looks rating effectively gets bumped down a few points (In other words, even though I'm a 7, I largely get treated like I'm a 4).

In some cases, my social awkwardness even gets me viewed as a 1.

Another poster recommended I start a thread about the topic. Might as well.

So here's the purpose of the thread: It isn't just a spectrum thread. It's a thread to discuss any factor that gets a man bumped down from his actual looks score.
I disagree. Based on your feedback of how women are treating you, you are not being treated as a sub-5, but as a normie. You have very healthy interactions with the opposite sex. I actually envy you. You don't have the right to complain here. If you do, then trade places with me and then you'll experience how a sub-5 is treated.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

Read more...

Hamurabimbi

Master Don Juan
Joined
Dec 4, 2018
Messages
4,123
Reaction score
3,625
Location
California
I mentioned on another thread that, as a result of being on the spectrum, my looks rating effectively gets bumped down a few points (In other words, even though I'm a 7, I largely get treated like I'm a 4).

In some cases, my social awkwardness even gets me viewed as a 1.

Another poster recommended I start a thread about the topic. Might as well.

So here's the purpose of the thread: It isn't just a spectrum thread. It's a thread to discuss any factor that gets a man bumped down from his actual looks score.

 

jhonny9546

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jan 17, 2024
Messages
2,620
Reaction score
551
Location
Italy
From my own experience,
height and body harmony
face: smile (white straight teeth) - eyes - hair

but also, frame.
The more I grow, the more I do understand there are people which holds more power.
Those people are persusor, and can be attractive.
 
Last edited:

zekko

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 6, 2009
Messages
16,777
Reaction score
9,990

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

Read more...

Hal9000

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jun 2, 2019
Messages
881
Reaction score
1,281
Already been mentioned but it's amazing how few men know how to dress. Obviously being in shape helps you look better in anything, but take a look at what fashionable men are wearing and try to incorporate some of that into your wardrobe. And I don't mean a 10k watch either.
 

BaronOfHair

Master Don Juan
Joined
Feb 14, 2024
Messages
5,545
Reaction score
3,017
Age
37

zekko

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 6, 2009
Messages
16,777
Reaction score
9,990
I don't think a lot of men know what is or is not attractive to women.
I agree. Sometimes it's obvious, some characteristics are obviously attractive, sometimes it's not. I think most of us have looked at a guy and been mystified about what is bringing women to his table (It's like "Really? THAT guy?"). We're not women, we can't see everything in the same lens they do.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

Read more...

inquisitor

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Feb 17, 2021
Messages
343
Reaction score
225
Age
24
Location
Philippines
Balding. -2 points easily.
This may be different from the intentional hairstyle change.

There have been times when I had my hair trimmed semi-bald (to reduce heat and scalp itching), and girls around me, as far as I can remember, seem to like it more than when my hair's longer, or at least enjoy it and pay me much more attention. I guess because it's new and different, and no one usually does it, but feel free to discuss.
 
Joined
Dec 3, 2023
Messages
74
Reaction score
43
The thread caption is perhaps little silly as people have pointed out?
But yeah, looks alone are not enough. You really need game too.

And if you are on spectrum and are awkward socially, then just start putting effort into learning social skills.
Fixing your weakness will be immensely valuable for your whole life. Basic social skills are quite transferrable between pick up and other social settings like work/business too.

Positive side to using pick up to learn those is it's fast and efficient way to get the needed reps in. Perhaps, not the most easiest for your ego though..
 

GoodMan32

Master Don Juan
Joined
Oct 14, 2022
Messages
2,386
Reaction score
651

I've heard the typical woman rates 80% of men below average.

As for my 7 rating, I didn't rate myself a 7. An AI looks rater did. I trust AI looks raters more than websites with live raters (because individual bias, as well as straight men rating other men, impacts your score on the typical looks rating website)
 

GoodMan32

Master Don Juan
Joined
Oct 14, 2022
Messages
2,386
Reaction score
651
If I understand correctly, that's not looks.

Again, not looks.


You have different issues you're trying to deal with here, and frankly, very fixable.
I know social awkwardness and being on the spectrum aren't looks.

My point is they cause a woman to subconsciously rank me lower than my actual looks score.

I say this because I've had to date/bang some fatties before (solely because I had few to no other options).

Also, when I was in high school, there was a feature on Facebook where your Facebook friends could rate your looks. A female classmate rated me a 1. I guarantee she never even gave much thought to my actual looks. Her 1 rating was more a rating of my social standing at school (which reinforces my point: being on the spectrum/socially awkward can cause a broad to view you as unattractive no matter what your actual looks are)
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

Read more...

Top