ChrizZ said:
A hot girl that has options will not choose a guy that tells her how beautiful she is because she gets that about 20 times a night when she goes clubbing.
Yeah, I know. "Hey, those guys do it all in a chumpish way from a position of neediness instead of confidence."
It still doesn't work. She will give you her number just to get rid of you because although you create some kind of value by being upfront it is usually not enough value for the 9s and 10s.
You have to show three things to make a woman really attracted to you. I just figured that out like a week ago and that week I got my new gf.
The things you have to convey are:
1. Be the leader of men
2. You have to be pre-selected by other women.
3. You have to be the protector of loved ones.
If you do this you WILL attract women.
This is from Mystery. I was a doubter at first, but this stuff really works if you understand it.
Don't get me wrong here. I believe we would all prefer direct game. However the social conditioning is too strong and women immediately roll their eyes and think you are a creep if you go direct on them because they just don't know how else to act. They are scared of you because they don't know you that's why they usually reject you immediately. They want to be lied to. It's sad, but it's the truth. Direct game is NOT how this game is played. I speak from experience, too.
Ok, you speak from experience, but from my experience most girls smile and talk to me for a few mins at least, bf or not, sometimes good/strong IOI's too and sometimes I close them successfully. Hell one of them closed me today. And thats 7-9s in the main with the odd 6 and 10 thrown in.
And I guess maybe there is some confusion in this thread or from myself. After opening directly, I then talk to the girl and joke around with her. I don't fixate about my lust for her at all, I get to know her, she gets to know me and there's a comfortable vibe of rapport and banter. I then suggest lunch and go for the close or whatever.
My opener is direct just to open, after that I chat with the girl and maybe flirt a little if it goes that way.
If you're on about opening direct, fixating on that with the girl, then closing, then yes I agree it's not enough; because you offer nothing else and don't convey your personality too her.