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agreed with this. However, the history still matters. I am in the USA and am not of predominately European descent. From genealogy, my family has been on what is now US soil since 1700 (USA founded 1776). Why is my country supposed to be considered Europeans at the forefront?
You were on British soil originally!! You still should be if Americans had any sense at all, you’d immediately petition to rejoin the British empire and become loyal subjects of King Charles III. I’m sure you’ll all be queuing up for that, handing in your guns and having them replaced by pictures of the King for your living room, a red coat and a teapot!

America is a tough one but the answer is you should have the same rights as anyone. No favouritism to anyone. It’s as much your land as anyone else’s.

What I’m saying is it was built on the customs and institutions of mainly British men, and was populated mainly by Europeans and that’s why most the CEOs are white. It doesn’t make them privileged. It’s just how history happened.

I appreciate the history of black people in the states is somewhat different but plenty of poor Irish had fewer advantages. As I understand it, there were some wealthy black folks too.

Equaliry under law and colourblindness is the only way for me. We are all made of the same stuff and we should be treated as such - equals. Not little competing groups who need leg ups.

im going to add that almost within living memory you had segregation. Britain abolished all this years before. So I don’t understand the solutions or context.
 
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Fine, that’s OK but your daughter says she needs a lift from a party with “insert group with higher rates of assault” and what do you do? You go and pick her up.
I would say any father would (or should) pick up his daughter here without even knowing the demographics.

I assume the case was American football and yes - 3 massive testosterone black players will be judged unfairly.
The case I was thinking of was actually the Duke Lacrosse team. Not 3 massive testosterone black guys with an innocent white female. It was 3 white guys, one black female stripper. And the bvtch lied. She later served time for other criminal acts.

Thank you for at least being honest. @Fruitbat i do challenge you to understand why as a man married to an attractive Asian woman , why non-white guys with white women is affecting you…
 

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And my point is that white men are the only systematically oppressed people in America, yet are still successful (generalization) comparative to other races (not asian). That is either from generational wealth, or cultural value differences.
These 2 avenues to success were formed by well above average intelligence. Above average intelligence being the huge distinguishing factor for Christian White males sucess.
 

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I would say any father would (or should) pick up his daughter here without even knowing the demographics.



The case I was thinking of was actually the Duke Lacrosse team. Not 3 massive testosterone black guys with an innocent white female. It was 3 white guys, one black female stripper. And the bvtch lied. She later served time for other criminal acts.

Thank you for at least being honest. @Fruitbat i do challenge you to understand why as a man married to an attractive Asian woman , why non-white guys with white women is affecting you…
Why are you trying to lay little traps and getting bent out of shape about it?
I’ve said it’s unfair, I’m just saying this is where the assumptions come from, and what I’ve said is true.

I’ve given examples of where it goes the other way. Here’s another. White cop shoots a black guy . What does everyone think? We all have our assumptions and preconceived ideas.

the original point of the post WASN’T that I have an issue with it, I don’t. It’s rank hypocrisy for me to think this way. It was in response to seeing a bunch of comments by black dudes on a Facebook post about how they impregnate and screw white women and it was aimed at upsetting white guys, basically, and I was observing I rarely see white guys flexing on other races in the same way - I could be wrong, I am naturally going to highlight it one way.

other things I’ve seen. “Most their grandkids Gonna be black” to basic conservative comments. This kind of thing
 

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Latino is used to describe those who are from countries Spain conquered, the Spanish would refer to them as “criollos”, or homegrown. Even if born of 100% Spanish stock just being born in the new World got you this designation.

Spaniards are more accurately called Hispanics, I guess.


no Latinos where I’m from so no frame of reference. Only real experience is a bit of bad vibes when I’ve been on holiday in Spain and a very anti English feeling, but to be fair we can have these attitudes too. Geberallt considered Latinos as essentially white anyway. European.
 
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What I’m saying is it was built on the customs and institutions of mainly British men, and was populated mainly by Europeans and that’s why most the CEOs are white. It doesn’t make them privileged. It’s just how history happened.
To be fair, the portrayal of history is far from accurate regarding the USA. The USA was not a predominantly white country until the first waves of European immigration in the late 1800s. It was mostly indigenous and African descendants. (Uncounted in the population for obvious reasons). There are still remnants of it in our constitution with how Congress was structured. Also, the European ethnic groups weren’t even considered “white” either at the time. White has always been a political choice and narrative in the USA. So it is a little weird when people say the USA is a white country
 

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the original point of the post WASN’T that I have an issue with it, I don’t. It’s rank hypocrisy for me to think this way. It was in response to seeing a bunch of comments by black dudes on a Facebook post about how they impregnate and screw white women and it was aimed at upsetting white guys, basically, and I was observing I rarely see white guys flexing on other races in the same way - I could be wrong, I am naturally going to highlight it one way.
Got it. Yeah, that behavior is weird and psychotic.
 

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To be fair, the portrayal of history is far from accurate regarding the USA. The USA was not a predominantly white country until the first waves of European immigration in the late 1800s. It was mostly indigenous and African descendants. (Uncounted in the population for obvious reasons). There are still remnants of it in our constitution with how Congress was structured. Also, the European ethnic groups weren’t even considered “white” either at the time. White has always been a political choice and narrative in the USA. So it is a little weird when people say the USA is a white country
European then. Things like the legal system, political system, language, the economic policy, the architectural techniques, the system of commerce, and the philosophical concepts the constitution was based on were the product of European colonialists and not indigenous or Africans but they certainly had a place in the cultural evolution.

At that time Europe had a huge progressive advantage on near enough everyone so at the time the US was conceived then these were adopted. This isn’t a flex it’s just a matter of historical fact. In the same way, the Romans were hugely influential on the evolution of Northern Europe and for Britain, we were conquered by the Normans in 1066 and the legal system and much of our language and social infrastructure was taken from the French, or what today would be considered the French. While my own Anglo Saxon systems came to an end in large part.

Britain today is very much a composite of this as the United States is a composite. However, our entire legal framework is Norman

Britain even borrowed many ideas sourced from the crusades which originated in Egypt.
 

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Latino is used to describe those who are from countries Spain conquered, the Spanish would refer to the as “criollos”, or homegrown. Even if born of 100% Spanish stock just being born in the new World got you this designation.

Spaniards are more accurately called Hispanics, I guess.
Ah, we don’t really distinguish this here. We’d say that someone is Spanish descent….generically the British have a mix of Nordic and Mediterranean blood. James Bond? Not Scandinavian is he?! Black hair…we have a fair bit of Hispanic in us already.

When British girls go on holiday to the med they often get a fair bit of Hispanic in them…literally. Def considered attractive by British women.
 

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Well, this has been a really wise thread for me to start. Everyone loves an edgy race debate.

next up: Religion
 

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You said all Latinos born in Latín América aré racist. So its on you ti back It Up, not on me to prove Im different.

"Yeah you're different, sure" replies are both beneath you and beneath a discussion forum

- Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
Okay, replace "all" for "in general", you're the exception, relax chillango roba carteras.
 

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FYI for those wondering, "Chilango" is a Mexican slur for the middle and upper-class, more euro-acting, and typically more educated Mexicans that live in 'El Distrito Federal' - aka Mexico City.
 

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Hi Pierce Manhammer,
" Caucasian males are the lighting rod, the perpetrators OF ALL UNFORTUNATE THINGS ATHAT HAVE EVER HAPPENED AND EVERYTHING THAT WILL TILL THE END OF TIME."....Pierce Manhammer a German Name,Daniel Craig An Englishman...What's your Story?
 

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Hi Fruitbat,
" generically the British have a mix of Nordic and Mediterranean blood"
You are a good bloke,but need to read "Blood Of The Islands",Nordic Yes,Meditteranean very little,surprisingly Norman and Roman not much either....You also need to check out the Normans,some of whose blood I have,who you consider responsible for British Law....Thank God,another NO!...Basically derived from Roman Common Law...Check out Justinians "Corpus Juris Civilis"still used copiously throughout the World,tack on the Magna Carta and judicial precedents andyou pretty much have it.
 

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A now deceased friend of mine who had done time told me that if you ever go to prison, don't tell anyone that you have been with a woman outside your own race.
 

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I was born a poor black child.

Are irony and sarcasm lost on you?

Hi Pierce Manhammer,
" Caucasian males are the lighting rod, the perpetrators OF ALL UNFORTUNATE THINGS ATHAT HAVE EVER HAPPENED AND EVERYTHING THAT WILL TILL THE END OF TIME."....Pierce Manhammer a German Name,Daniel Craig An Englishman...What's your Story?
 

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Hi Pearce,
And I was born a poor White Boy!....Your original post is pure hate!..."The Bad that Men do lives after them,the good is oft interred with the bones"that's Shakespeare another Contribution from the unspeakable....take a good look around you Pearce,you have much to thank the Evil people you virtue signal off!
 

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Again, are you familiar with the concepts of irony and sarcasm in public discourse? Because your reply would seem to indicate that you are not.

Hi Pearce,
And I was born a poor White Boy!....Your original post is pure hate!..."The Bad that Men do lives after them,the good is oft interred with the bones"that's Shakespeare another Contribution from the unspeakable....take a good look around you Pearce,you have much to thank the Evil people you virtue signal off!
 

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Hi Pearce,
"As has been said a million times (don’t agree):
You cannot oppress an oppressor.
Caucasian males are the lighting rod, the perpetrators OF ALL UNFORTUNATE THINGS ATHAT HAVE EVER HAPPENED AND EVERYTHING THAT WILL TILL THE END OF TIME."
I write without malice when I say,The first part of your post can be ambiguous,is the main section your opinion?
 
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