"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Do you think that Instagram has decimated mens' Sexual Market Value even more than Tinder?

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I was listening to this, and it got me interested:

(NOTE: The conservation has the money quote around 37:00.)

 
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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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I think in the real world nothing has changed. Women still (mostly) want to get married and have children. They need a man for that and they want to choose the best one they can get. If they're smart they'll choose before they get old and their own value starts to slip. Plenty guys want to bang them whilst they're young, sure. How many of those guys want to marry them?
 
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I’m not sure how Tinder ‘decimated men’s SMV’. Or IG. I’m not being snarky or sarcastic.
 
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Dating apps and social media haven't done anything except make women think their SMV is 2 pts higher than it really is.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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no your smv is still your smv.
tinder and ig just made high value you men more readily available , but they would still find those men offline if tinder and ig wasnt around. they will get it from work, school, or at the grocery store. online dating is here for good now, might as catch the wave and make it work for you. learn how to use it AS A TOOL and make it work to your advantage
 
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Mister_Skinny_Jeanz said:
no your smv is still your smv.
tinder and ig just made high value you men more readily available , but they would still find those men offline if tinder and ig wasnt around. they will get it from work, school, or at the grocery store. online dating is here for good now, might as catch the wave and make it work for you. learn how to use it AS A TOOL and make it work to your advantage
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Many have tried using it as a tool. Believe me when I say I probably put more effort into than you, yet it was an utter failure. No guarantees in life. I still play the game. Even if I lose.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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redskinsfan92 said:
Many have tried using it as a tool. Believe me when I say I probably put more effort into than you, yet it was an utter failure. No guarantees in life. I still play the game. Even if I lose.
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switch it up , try new things , whatever you are doing right now isn't working, innovate.
what's your bio like? what kind of pics do you take? do you have a life outside of social media ? are you displaying your hobbies in your pics and profiles? do you lift? are you fit? do you dress nice?
 
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redskinsfan92 said:
Internet porn was free and readily available before 2008.
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see tweet. pornhub launched in 2008. tinder launched in 2012 (and didn't really start taking off till ~2014). incel rate was already rising before that.
 
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Velasco said:
see tweet. pornhub launched in 2008. tinder launched in 2012 (and didn't really start taking off till ~2014). incel rate was already rising before that.
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According to you pron is the reason women have hoards of thirsty men dming them on social media? Male thirst drives up the competition.

The demand far outweighs the supply
 
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Georgepithyou said:
According to you pron is the reason women have hoards of thirsty men dming them on social media? Male thirst drives up the competition.
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high speed mobile internet porn is a big reason why there are so incels today. don't need sex cuz you get your sexual release from jerking off to all the porn you want.

instagram decimates a man's SMV cuz your compared to celebrity/rich people's instagram. you can never compete. so compared to them, your value decreases from when they met and exchanged instagram handles with you at the grocery store. better for her to never know what your day to day is like so that she can project whatever she wants to you. i.e. if she's attracted to you, she'll assume your life is as cool as the rich people's instagram.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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