"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Dating apps are dying

Snag87

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People think they’ll be around forever, and maybe that’s true, but not on anywhere near the scale we’ve seen in previous years. I’ve tried Hinge, Bumble and Tinder over the last few months. I eventually deleted Bumble and Tinder as my experience was just ghastly. I believe I had one match who wasn’t morbidly obese or biologically male. Hinge was a different story. I managed to rack up 150 or so matches, which led to three dates. That said, the difference in quality on Hinge between now and 2021 was palpable. It’s just night and day. In 2021 I could consistently match with attractive women, although I admittedly did struggle to convince them to go on dates with me. In present day virtually all of my matches are average or below average. And it’s not just my matches; there are significantly fewer attractive women on the apps period, which obviously means more competition for them.

I would have a hard time recommending dating apps for any man these days, particularly if the man doesn’t have extremely high SMV. I believe meeting woman organically or through AI match makers is the future.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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People think they’ll be around forever, and maybe that’s true, but not on anywhere near the scale we’ve seen in previous years.
Strongly disagree.

I spent the past year trying my hand as a dating coach...believing that people would appreciate somebody genuine who gets around with a bunch of women, without all the skits, paid actresses, and fakery of social media.

Know who they bought into instead?

The guys selling dating app makeovers and courses on Tinder, Bumble, and Hinge.

Know why?

Because it's easier to take tasteful pictures, have AI photoshop you, and appear larger-than-life online. After all, that is EXACTLY why social media is so popular; it's a highlight reel. Get rejected on an app? You'll never know. Get a like or a match on an app? You get a push notification and a dopamine hit inviting you to start conversing with a lovely woman who, unbeknownst to you, probably has about 100 other guys messaging her at the same time, and will likely not keep the conversation long enough to meet up for a date.

People go broke on social media pretending to be rich...so I have a hard time believing anybody will be upset about not going on enough dates if they're still getting plenty of matches.
 

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Your experience is totally subjective.

We know women will get of course "easier" life, but the app works if you're an attractive man.
(It works for me, even if I am below 165cm)

So I can say it works if you're attractive.
You get what you ask.

Dating apps are there to satisfy the need for sex/intimacy, mostly quick sex.
But there are also deep and meaningful people (rare)
 

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Your experience is totally subjective.

We know women will get of course "easier" life, but the app works if you're an attractive man.
(It works for me, even if I am below 165cm)

So I can say it works if you're attractive.
You get what you ask.

Dating apps are there to satisfy the need for sex/intimacy, mostly quick sex.
But there are also deep and meaningful people (rare)
Of course it’s subjective. That said, why would my results be so much worse than they were 5 years ago?
 

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Yes by the numbers, the apps are dying. One can spend about 5minutes on yahoo finance or google AI and figure that out if you can't see if from being an actual usuer over the years.

Bumble is probably going to get sold again. That company has experienced so much turmoil over the years.

Tinder, Bumble, and Match have all experienced declining user bases that last several years. Hinge is the only one that hasn't shrunk. I would suspect its because Hinge hasn't been around for as long as the others. I also hear a lot of people say its more effective which was my experience as well.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Of course it’s subjective. That said, why would my results be so much worse than they were 5 years ago?
Because.
1 there are less women. A decent looking woman ( hb5 and up) can and will still be "d1ck- bombed " IRL wherever she goes. The ratio now is like 70/ 30.

2 . The women that do stay use it like a man uses Pronhub; there will always be a new (toptier) dude she hasn't entertained yet.

3. To allude to the previous point; the only men who DON'T get burned out will be men who are attractive and thus have succeeded on the apps. That means that despite the messed up ratio its STILL filters toptier men from average below men; for every average man that gives up another attractive man takes his place and actually stays!.

4. The secret algorithm. By now you're probably downvoted so much that match.com( controls ALL the apps) has you in the "below average " bracket regardless of you being or not being somewhat attractive IRL . Dislike= not attractive to the algorithm. You'll probably get 97 out of 100 dislikes from women and/ or perhaps even 197 out of 200 ect, basically fecking up your online presence permanently.

The women have no incentive to like or match with you. And even IF you'd get a like it'll be an uphill battle to actually coin in your dates. 5 years ago it literally was a different game.
 

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I’ve heard the term “dating app fatigue” going around a lot. People can argue about whether nightlife is declining or what not, blah blah blah, but approaching women in person will never die.
 
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