Dates that are a waste of time

[Oatmeal31]

Just went on one of the most retarded dates I've been on in a while. I met this attractive and tall gothic girl on the street TODAY, and she was willing to meet me TONIGHT. And she did.

I saw this sexy and tall gothic girl, made my approach, commented on her style, talked a bit about music, took her hand, kissed it and twirled her around.

I took her number and said I'd take her on a date, and talked to her about when she would be free. She said something like she works this weekend, but she could do next Sunday. I said that's a bit too long, but we can arrange over text. Took her hand, twirled her once more and we parted ways.

Fast forward a couple hours, since I realize I'm working the next few days, I figure I'd I text her to see if she's down for anything tonight. Attached the text conversation

Straight green lights. She's agrees and is down to meet tonight. Cool. We set a time. 8:30pm comes and as I'm talking to the bouncer, she arrives. He goes 'Damn. She's with you, go right in.' I put my hand on her back to guide her as we go in. I noticed she was pulling away a bit as I did that. Weird. Thought it was just her walking in, didn't think much of it.

It's a bit loud but we find a couple seats. I pull one out for her and let her sit at the bar first. I sit, and then we start talking. She's asking me about my day and as I order an Old Style, we go into what we did, different topics and what not. I ask questions to get her to talk about herself so that I can just sit back and listen.

I had an ear infection recently, so whenever I talk I hear it in my left ear as well, so it feels weird for me when I do talk. But she's also asking plenty of questions back, so I oblige, talk as usual. Early on, I take her hands and ask about her rings, she doesn't mind, and talks about where she got them and what not. Then I move on to her tattoos, which she has plenty of, and touch her as I ask about them. Doesn't seem to mind. When I stroke her hair, she visibly gets annoyed, I notice, and I ask if it's bothering her. She said she doesn't like to be touched.

WTF? You were giggling and laughing when I met you on the street and kissed your hand, etc. but you don't like to be touched? In response, I said 'no problem, whatever makes you comfortable.' I pulled back but still made light touches throughout. She didn't seem to mind at that point, but it made it difficult to flirt with her. I threw in some verbal flirts in there but would just get a giggle or laugh, and I didn't push the affection much further.

When I closed out the tab, we walked out, and she and I mentioned the speakeasies and sh1t she mentioned when we met earlier, and asked how she was feeling. I remember saying I'd like to kiss her but she seems reserved and wants to take it slow. She giggled and said yeah I like to take it slow.

She said she was feeling good, so I figured we'd go on a little walk around and see what else was around, but soon after, she asked where I was going. The ****? I said we were going on a walk to see what else there was (refer to texts) She said ok, and then soon after she said, you know what, I have to wake up early tomorrow and go to work.

Yes, now you have a magical work assignment you never mentioned before. She said she'd head back, but thanks. I said I'll walk her back since it's dark out and she had something to drink. She said she had a mocktail. Said I'd walk her back anyway.
(It's ****ing Chicago and you're dressed like a ****ing diva at night on the way to the train)

She takes this whole loop around, while we're walking, which takes twice as long as it should've. She makes conversation and we talk along the way, we finally arrive, she gives the weakest goodbye, weak ass hug and doesn't even wait for a response, just goes.

I text her a couple minutes after and say 'We aren't a good fit at all. Good luck.'

Quite easily one of the most retarded dates I've been on. Almost as bad as going out with a girl I met at the club once. Almost.

You're willing to meet me, a man that came up to you on the street, the same fvcking night, but you draw the line when I touch you, which is what I explicitly did earlier. I'm here for a DATE, not to have platonic conversation, forgo any flirting, and talk about your art and sh1t.


First girl I've ever met that was against physical affection.
I'm going to bed, waste of time.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Just went on one of the most retarded dates I've been on in a while. I met this attractive and tall gothic girl on the street TODAY, and she was willing to meet me TONIGHT

We talking Ostro or Visigothic?

 

[Oatmeal31]

We talking Ostro or Visigothic?

The retarded kind

 

[SW15]

When I stroke her hair, she visibly gets annoyed, I notice, and I ask if it's bothering her. She said she doesn't like to be touched.

It seems like you had good kino escalation up to this point. She offered resistance here. You should have kept talking and touching and then re-try that move 15-20 minutes later to set up the kiss. It is annoying to get resistance there.

Always keep advancing. If she's not feeling it, call it a night then.

 

[BPH]

A pattern I'm noticing with you is that you get bent out of shape easily when things don't go your way. You're blaming the girl for not being able to escalate during the date, rather than yourself for why she's not willing to escalate.

took her hand, kissed it and twirled her around.

Uhh, ok. I hope you don't do that frequently with women you approach, but it sounds like it worked this time, corny as it was.

Took her hand, twirled her once more and we parted ways.

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When I stroke her hair, she visibly gets annoyed, I notice, and I ask if it's bothering her. She said she doesn't like to be touched.

You're doing too much too fast. Some women simply don't like PDA (public displays of affection), especially when they just met you a few hours ago. Without knowing the timeframe of all this touching, it reads like you just kept pushing your limits rather than letting things progress naturally.

I remember saying I'd like to kiss her but she seems reserved and wants to take it slow. She giggled and said yeah I like to take it slow.

You were fishing for consent, hoping she would verbally tell you she's changed her mind so you could go for the kiss. That's not seductive at all. You're playing it safe because you're not confident in her interest level. To be fair, you shouldn't be, given the interaction so far, but you're not doing yourself any favors by doing this to yourself and assuming your own failure out loud to her.

She said she was feeling good, so I figured we'd go on a little walk around and see what else was around, but soon after, she asked where I was going. The ****? I said we were going on a walk to see what else there was (refer to texts) She said ok, and then soon after she said, you know what, I have to wake up early tomorrow and go to work.

Yes, now you have a magical work assignment you never mentioned before. She said she'd head back, but thanks. I said I'll walk her back since it's dark out and she had something to drink. She said she had a mocktail. Said I'd walk her back anyway.

A total stranger who had met her only a few hours doing some pick-up artist street twirls to force kino before brought her to the bar, was a bit too touchy, said he would like to kiss her and was denied, and now this person is leading her somewhere unfamiliar in Chicago at night...of course she's going to be concerned about where she's going.

She had a mocktail, so she's also sober, and now you're forcing her to accept your escort home and find out where she lives.

You must see this interaction through a different lens, rather than your quest to get laid. She feels that you want something from her (obviously), but she doesn't feel like she's getting anything she wants from you.

She makes conversation and we talk along the way, we finally arrive, she gives the weakest goodbye, weak ass hug and doesn't even wait for a response, just goes.

I text her a couple minutes after and say 'We aren't a good fit at all. Good luck.'

You knew this was a dud, but you still walked her home, hoping she would change her mind at some point along the way. When she didn't, you wanted to be in control of the rejection by rejecting her first, leading to the butthurt text.

Now listen, I've been there before too, but usually it's after heavy drinking when I'm not thinking quite so straight - I did the same thing with the girl who brought me with her to the casino, and crashed out about girls having problems with the age gap when I came home from one particular night out.

But man...you really need to stop taking these failed interactions so personally.

Everything I read here is about you trying to get sex out of her, rather than giving her sex. What's the difference? YOU were the one trying to get too touchy too soon. YOU were the one who told her you wanted to kiss her, rather than going for it. YOU were the one who insisted on walking her home. YOU were the one who got upset about how the date went and sent her a preemptive breakup text.

Everything is about YOUR desires, with zero consideration for HERS. You just saw her desires as being unreasonable.

Anyway, stop taking failure personally. Stop blaming the girl, and instead focus on what you had control over and could've done differently. And please don't kiss the hands of girls on the street that you're meeting, or twirl them around multiple times to get a good look at their bodies. Pick-up artists do that crap all the time to force kino...just be a normal person and flirt.

 

[SW15]

took her hand, kissed it and twirled her around.

I hope you don't do that frequently with women you approach, but it sounds like it worked this time, corny as it was.

I agree that is a corny AF move. I would never do this with a stranger on a non-bar approach. I'd call this cringe.

You're doing too much too fast. Some women simply don't like PDA (public displays of affection), especially when they just met you a few hours ago. Without knowing the timeframe of all this touching, it reads like you just kept pushing your limits rather than letting things progress naturally.

It's possible to socially calibrate these things. It's important to display social calibration. I'm looking for compliance and definitely looking for things to progress a bit naturally. There are times where I run into resistance as I'm kino escalating, but this is uncommon.

You were fishing for consent, hoping she would verbally tell you she's changed her mind so you could go for the kiss. That's not seductive at all. You're playing it safe because you're not confident in her interest level. To be fair, you shouldn't be, given the interaction so far, but you're not doing yourself any favors by doing this to yourself and assuming your own failure out loud to her.

Agree with the assessment on it. Playing it safe is usually a losing proposition in early stages in women. Being bold in action is the better move, even if the boldness fails in a particular situation.

Everything is about YOUR desires, with zero consideration for HERS.

Seduction is more about the other person than the male seducer. Good point.

You knew this was a dud, but you still walked her home, hoping she would change her mind at some point along the way. When she didn't, you wanted to be in control of the rejection by rejecting her first, leading to the butthurt text.

YOU were the one who got upset about how the date went and sent her a preemptive breakup text.

I have had some total dud dates before. With dud dates, I do nothing. I disappear. I don't ever offer a 2nd date and I don't send any texts. If the date is a dud, the female won't contact me. Females have such a high standard for contacting males so my assessments for dud dates are spot on and I move on without ever offering the woman the 2nd date. I'm the one taking pre-emptive action to walk away but I'm not doing it in a butthurt fashion.

gothic girl

WTF man! It's possible I'm reacting the way I'm reacting because I don't dig this look. Gothic women don't seem like they'd be interested in street approaches from regular looking PUA street approachers. It seems difficult to imagine a somewhat conventional looking guy approaching some goth girl on the street.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Gothic women don't seem like they'd be interested in street approaches from regular looking PUA street approachers. It seems difficult to imagine a somewhat conventional looking guy approaching some goth girl on the street.

This

Imagine trying to pick up Nancy Spungen or Siouxsie Sioux off the streets of Manhattan or London. Ain't going to work.

Might as well try to hit on Courtney Love, OP.

 

[Oatmeal31]

A pattern I'm noticing with you is that you get bent out of shape easily when things don't go your way. You're blaming the girl for not being able to escalate during the date, rather than yourself for why she's not willing to escalate.



Uhh, ok. I hope you don't do that frequently with women you approach, but it sounds like it worked this time, corny as it was.



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You're doing too much too fast. Some women simply don't like PDA (public displays of affection), especially when they just met you a few hours ago. Without knowing the timeframe of all this touching, it reads like you just kept pushing your limits rather than letting things progress naturally.



You were fishing for consent, hoping she would verbally tell you she's changed her mind so you could go for the kiss. That's not seductive at all. You're playing it safe because you're not confident in her interest level. To be fair, you shouldn't be, given the interaction so far, but you're not doing yourself any favors by doing this to yourself and assuming your own failure out loud to her.



A total stranger who had met her only a few hours doing some pick-up artist street twirls to force kino before brought her to the bar, was a bit too touchy, said he would like to kiss her and was denied, and now this person is leading her somewhere unfamiliar in Chicago at night...of course she's going to be concerned about where she's going.

She had a mocktail, so she's also sober, and now you're forcing her to accept your escort home and find out where she lives.

You must see this interaction through a different lens, rather than your quest to get laid. She feels that you want something from her (obviously), but she doesn't feel like she's getting anything she wants from you.



You knew this was a dud, but you still walked her home, hoping she would change her mind at some point along the way. When she didn't, you wanted to be in control of the rejection by rejecting her first, leading to the butthurt text.

Now listen, I've been there before too, but usually it's after heavy drinking when I'm not thinking quite so straight - I did the same thing with the girl who brought me with her to the casino, and crashed out about girls having problems with the age gap when I came home from one particular night out.

But man...you really need to stop taking these failed interactions so personally.

Everything I read here is about you trying to get sex out of her, rather than giving her sex. What's the difference? YOU were the one trying to get too touchy too soon. YOU were the one who told her you wanted to kiss her, rather than going for it. YOU were the one who insisted on walking her home. YOU were the one who got upset about how the date went and sent her a preemptive breakup text.

Everything is about YOUR desires, with zero consideration for HERS. You just saw her desires as being unreasonable.

Anyway, stop taking failure personally. Stop blaming the girl, and instead focus on what you had control over and could've done differently. And please don't kiss the hands of girls on the street that you're meeting, or twirl them around multiple times to get a good look at their bodies. Pick-up artists do that crap all the time to force kino...just be a normal person and flirt.

You guys can call it corny all you want, but I find it fun and engaging. No idea why you think it's some calculated maneuver that I use to do "kino." I like it, they usually do if they're interested, and it makes my approaches less boring for me and them. Pretty fvcking normal to just twirl a girl. C'mon. It's my style, I'll keep doing it unless I got rancid reactions often. There's no one size fits all. You guys said the same thing about caressing a girl's hand on approach. Guess what? They like it and so do it. If it works and it's fun, I'll do it.

And that was the first time I kissed a girl's hand. It just felt natural to do, I'm experimenting and she liked it. The text messages speak for themselves.

Was I fishing for consent? Sure, you can put it that way. I was hoping to get something out of it. I'm there for a reason. I have only ever told 2 girls in my life that I want to kiss them. Every other time, I've gone for the kiss easily, naturally. Yes, that was because I wasn't confident about her interest level. Because why would I go for a kiss when you pull back from touching? That's even worse than not "asking." It would be totally miscalibrated and make things awkward, so me asking, is making sure she's ok with it.

The touching was natural. When I asked about her tattoos, rings, necklace, etc. She would oblige and let me lightly touch her. No problem there. I noticed annoyance when I stroked her hair as I talked to her. I pointed it out, and said that we'll do whatever makes you comfortable. So, not sure where you're getting the idea that I'm just bulldozing through without any regard for her. I was actually incredibly tame compared to any other encounters I had, and kept it light. Why? Because I think I realized I was doing a bit much and the feedback I got here helped with that.

You say that I was leading her somewhere unfamiliar. Right after we left the bar, I asked about the places she mentioned she liked going to are. In the text messages I shared, I said we would do something AFTER the bar. So context clues kinda point to...

Then you say I was FORCING to escort her home. Dude, she took the train. She wasn't walking home. I was walking her to the CTA at night, which was the Red Line I believe (known for being one of the sketchiest Lines in Chicago), wearing an outfit that VERY MUCH stands out. You think I wanted to change her mind? No man. I did that out of courtesy and I'd do it for any other girl out of regard for her safety. I knew there was no change of heart at that point, why would there be?

I sent that text right after because I found it a bit rude for her to give a weak goodbye, and leave without waiting for a response. I take manners very seriously.

I normally agree with what you have to say because you do have much more experience and it usually makes sense, but you made a ton of assumptions about my intentions and actions that were off mark.

I didn't truly care if the night didn't end in sex. I want to have a good time. And my version of a good time on a DATE is flirting. If I can't touch you, then this may as well be a meeting between friends.

And if you are giving straight green lights when I show affection earlier, and then you switch up later when the first thing I did when we entered the bar was simply guide her back, then yeah I find that irritating. I didn't go straight to caressing her or fingering her. I just chalked this up to a girl not being physically affectionate for whatever reason. As I mentioned before, I never had objections like that before. It was probably never going to work considering the way I show affection. But if you guys had experience in dealing with girls who were that gunshy, I figured I'd post here


Usually decent advice but off the mark with this one I feel. I can't take SW15 seriously here either. Just goes from hey good job, then sees your feedback and immediately agrees without resistance. You say gothic women wouldn't be receptive to approach, yet this entire thread is starts with a gothic girl accepting my approach with enthusiasm

You are right about at least one thing. I do often take things personally. But this is often done out of frustration from putting in lot of effort with cold approaches

 

[New_Journey]

I saw this sexy and tall gothic girl, made my approach, commented on her style, talked a bit about music, took her hand, kissed it and twirled her around.

I took her number and said I'd take her on a date, and talked to her about when she would be free. She said something like she works this weekend, but she could do next Sunday. I said that's a bit too long, but we can arrange over text. Took her hand, twirled her once more and we parted ways.

Fast forward a couple hours, since I realize I'm working the next few days, I figure I'd I text her to see if she's down for anything tonight.

Good, you are being dominant, a leader, a guy who puts his balls on the chopping block going for what he wants.

It's a bit loud but we find a couple seats. I pull one out for her and let her sit at the bar first. I sit, and then we start talking. She's asking me about my day and as I order an Old Style, we go into what we did, different topics and what not. I ask questions to get her to talk about herself so that I can just sit back and listen.

I had an ear infection recently, so whenever I talk I hear it in my left ear as well, so it feels weird for me when I do talk. But she's also asking plenty of questions back, so I oblige, talk as usual. Early on, I take her hands and ask about her rings, she doesn't mind, and talks about where she got them and what not. Then I move on to her tattoos, which she has plenty of, and touch her as I ask about them. Doesn't seem to mind. When I stroke her hair, she visibly gets annoyed

A lot of fvcking talking, no seduction, she likes you a lot for being so dominant, but you are talking a lot, this is a test of your confidence.

WTF? You were giggling and laughing when I met you on the street and kissed your hand

You are using logic, she wants to feel, not think, drill into your head.

She said she doesn't like to be touched.

Perfect opportunity to escalate. This is a $hit test, she being bratty to see how you react.

- Hert: I don't like to be touched
- You: How about getting your lips bitten? * Proceeds to kiss her and bite her lips*

I said 'no problem, whatever makes you comfortable.'

You chicked out. Are you expecting the girl to say "Listen bro, I like you, I moved all my $hit to see you tonight, let me act bratty so you teach me a lesson by kissing me and escalating" It will never happend.

When I closed out the tab, we walked out, and she and I mentioned the speakeasies and sh1t she mentioned when we met earlier, and asked how she was feeling. I remember saying I'd like to kiss her but she seems reserved and wants to take it slow. She giggled and said yeah I like to take it slow.

Yeah she giggled bnecause you are puzzy, you said you wanted to kiss her and didn't follow throught. Why are you so scared?

She said she was feeling good, so I figured we'd go on a little walk around and see what else was around, but soon after, she asked where I was going. The ****? I said we were going on a walk to see what else there was (refer to texts) She said ok, and then soon after she said, you know what, I have to wake up early tomorrow and go to work.

You have no plansto escalate, she lost her time with you, she wanted d!ck, but instead got a puzzy boi who wanted to walk and talk about his feelings LOL

 

[SW15]

I take manners very seriously.

Your target market of late Millennial and Gen Z women don't care about manners.

You had some kino escalation that was good in the early stages, then failed a crap test.

I am wondering why you went after a goth chick if you are a conventional looking male. That's odd.

 

[Oatmeal31]

Your target market of late Millennial and Gen Z women don't care about manners.

You had some kino escalation that was good in the early stages, then failed a crap test.

I am wondering why you went after a goth chick if you are a conventional looking male. That's odd.

She's hot. I like white girls. Simple. Nothing odd about that

 

[Clockwerk50]

Women speak covertly and men speak overtly. From your story, I gathered that the woman was exhausted from sending subtle and indirect signals, so she shifted from her feminine energy to masculine energy to tell you directly to slow down. After that, two things may have caused a change in your demeanour, which may have turned her off:

1. Reactive
   You took her pulling back as a personal slight to your vanity instead of recognizing it as a natural part of the dynamic. That kind of sensitivity makes you seem emotionally high-maintenance and kills the seductive tension.
2. Impatient
   Instead of letting things unfold naturally, you rushed the process and pushed for physicality too soon. This made the whole interaction feel self-serving, like you weren’t attuned to her pace or experience at all.

Sometimes you have to attune your senses to hers, watching closely, and adjusting to her moods. You sense when she’s defensive and pull back. You sense when she’s giving in and move forward. A woman’s senses are more refined than a man’s; to her, all he really has to do is take his time and do the little things that show he’s present. If he does that, he’ll have her eating out of his hand.

 

[Clockwerk50]

Your target market of late Millennial and Gen Z women don't care about manners.

You had some kino escalation that was good in the early stages, then failed a crap test.

I am wondering why you went after a goth chick if you are a conventional looking male. That's odd.

I loath tattoos but I considered her to be a hot goth.

Disclaimer: I am not around goths so I’m. Not sure what’s a regular goth.

 

[BPH]

You guys can call it corny all you want, but I find it fun and engaging. No idea why you think it's some calculated maneuver that I use to do "kino." I like it, they usually do if they're interested, and it makes my approaches less boring for me and them. Pretty fvcking normal to just twirl a girl. C'mon. It's my style, I'll keep doing it unless I got rancid reactions often. There's no one size fits all. You guys said the same thing about caressing a girl's hand on approach. Guess what? They like it and so do it. If it works and it's fun, I'll do it.

And that was the first time I kissed a girl's hand. It just felt natural to do, I'm experimenting and she liked it. The text messages speak for themselves.

Was I fishing for consent? Sure, you can put it that way. I was hoping to get something out of it. I'm there for a reason. I have only ever told 2 girls in my life that I want to kiss them. Every other time, I've gone for the kiss easily, naturally. Yes, that was because I wasn't confident about her interest level. Because why would I go for a kiss when you pull back from touching? That's even worse than not "asking." It would be totally miscalibrated and make things awkward, so me asking, is making sure she's ok with it.

The touching was natural. When I asked about her tattoos, rings, necklace, etc. She would oblige and let me lightly touch her. No problem there. I noticed annoyance when I stroked her hair as I talked to her. I pointed it out, and said that we'll do whatever makes you comfortable. So, not sure where you're getting the idea that I'm just bulldozing through without any regard for her. I was actually incredibly tame compared to any other encounters I had, and kept it light. Why? Because I think I realized I was doing a bit much and the feedback I got here helped with that.

You say that I was leading her somewhere unfamiliar. Right after we left the bar, I asked about the places she mentioned she liked going to are. In the text messages I shared, I said we would do something AFTER the bar. So context clues kinda point to...

Then you say I was FORCING to escort her home. Dude, she took the train. She wasn't walking home. I was walking her to the CTA at night, which was the Red Line I believe (known for being one of the sketchiest Lines in Chicago), wearing an outfit that VERY MUCH stands out. You think I wanted to change her mind? No man. I did that out of courtesy and I'd do it for any other girl out of regard for her safety. I knew there was no change of heart at that point, why would there be?

I sent that text right after because I found it a bit rude for her to give a weak goodbye, and leave without waiting for a response. I take manners very seriously.

I normally agree with what you have to say because you do have much more experience and it usually makes sense, but you made a ton of assumptions about my intentions and actions that were off mark.

I didn't truly care if the night didn't end in sex. I want to have a good time. And my version of a good time on a DATE is flirting. If I can't touch you, then this may as well be a meeting between friends.

And if you are giving straight green lights when I show affection earlier, and then you switch up later when the first thing I did when we entered the bar was simply guide her back, then yeah I find that irritating. I didn't go straight to caressing her or fingering her. I just chalked this up to a girl not being physically affectionate for whatever reason. As I mentioned before, I never had objections like that before. It was probably never going to work considering the way I show affection. But if you guys had experience in dealing with girls who were that gunshy, I figured I'd post here


Usually decent advice but off the mark with this one I feel. I can't take SW15 seriously here either. Just goes from hey good job, then sees your feedback and immediately agrees without resistance. You say gothic women wouldn't be receptive to approach, yet this entire thread is starts with a gothic girl accepting my approach with enthusiasm

You are right about at least one thing. I do often take things personally. But this is often done out of frustration from putting in lot of effort with cold approaches

I want you to reread this and focus on how many times you're talking about what YOU wanted, rather than what SHE might've wanted.

The reason this didn't go well is because you're expecting the night to go the way YOU want it, and SHE is just existing in your world, as if she's not her own person with her own desires.

You probably felt like you wasted your time and money, but again, that's not HER fault - YOU should've screened better. You only control half of the interaction - your half - so focus on where you can improve there.

As for the train thing, it was pretty obvious she was trying to separate herself from you. I understand you might've wanted to be a gentleman, but she was probably more worried about you than anyone else. If somebody insists on making a mistake, that's their problem, not yours.

As for the twirl during your approach, I have never in my life seen anybody approach a girl and spin her around (much less more than once), myself included, unless they were a corny pick-up artist. You have complained about your approaches not going well before. Have you ever considered that stuff like this might be why?

Usually decent advice but off the mark with this one I feel.

That's just your ego talking. You can feel how you want about my advice, but the fact that so many people seem to agree with it should lead you to believe I may have a point.

 

[SW15]

I loath tattoos but I considered her to be a hot goth.

Disclaimer: I am not around goths so I’m. Not sure what’s a regular goth.

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I wouldn't call this woman a goth. She seems like a heavily tattooed Gen Z woman. She would be more attractive with 0 tattoos or 1-2 small tattoos.

Millennial and Gen Z women are obsessed with tattoos.

 

[Oatmeal31]

I want you to reread this and focus on how many times you're talking about what YOU wanted, rather than what SHE might've wanted.

The reason this didn't go well is because you're expecting the night to go the way YOU want it, and SHE is just existing in your world, as if she's not her own person with her own desires.

You probably felt like you wasted your time and money, but again, that's not HER fault - YOU should've screened better. You only control half of the interaction - your half - so focus on where you can improve there.

As for the train thing, it was pretty obvious she was trying to separate herself from you. I understand you might've wanted to be a gentleman, but she was probably more worried about you than anyone else. If somebody insists on making a mistake, that's their problem, not yours.

As for the twirl during your approach, I have never in my life seen anybody approach a girl and spin her around (much less more than once), myself included, unless they were a corny pick-up artist. You have complained about your approaches not going well before. Have you ever considered that stuff like this might be why?



That's just your ego talking. You can feel how you want about my advice, but the fact that so many people seem to agree with it should lead you to believe I may have a point.

I rarely get to twirl a girl. If it gets to that point, and the opportunity presents itself it turns out well.

Sure, it's my ego. Have you considered that it's yours from not accepting that nobody is correct 100% of the time? People agree with you here because they don't know any better and confine themselves to easier avenues or stay at home. You know more than me, but I know myself enough to point out where you're wrong here.

Yes, she wasted my time. Because who goes on a date, and pulls back from flirtation? You know, what makes a meeting, a date?

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Yes, she wasted my time. Because who goes on a date, and pulls back from flirtation? You know, what makes a meeting, a date?

A goth girl does. Screening is the most important aspect of game once you're past the beginner stage.

 

[BPH]

I rarely get to twirl a girl. If it gets to that point, and the opportunity presents itself it turns out well.

Sure, it's my ego. Have you considered that it's yours from not accepting that nobody is correct 100% of the time? People agree with you here because they don't know any better and confine themselves to easier avenues or stay at home. You know more than me, but I know myself enough to point out where you're wrong here.

Yes, she wasted my time. Because who goes on a date, and pulls back from flirtation? You know, what makes a meeting, a date?

Read how you're responding to me. Read how defensive you are when criticized.

Do you think behavior like that isn't showing through in your interactions when women?

You get frustrated and emotional too easily.

 

[Oatmeal31]

Read how you're responding to me. Read how defensive you are when criticized.

Do you think behavior like that isn't showing through in your interactions when women?

You get frustrated and emotional too easily.

I probably do but I wasn't responding this way in another thread of mine because you guys were on the mark.

 

[Oatmeal31]

A goth girl does. Screening is the most important aspect of game once you're past the beginner stage.

Genuinely curious. Screening? I was getting flying colors until I met resistance