"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
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"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
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I refuse to do anything illegal in such cases, and I also refuse to date anyone really young and living at home. Actually now that I think about it I've not dated a girl who was currently living with her parents since it was the 1980's. The potential for unwanted complications seems too high.
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Yet another nonsensical part of society.
Take her to MA and fvck her.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
bukowski_merit
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but, if you started a rel with this girl and fell for her - you'd have to go through HELL trying to keep and keep up with this girl as the girl matured in the 17-22 age range... there's so many phases you'll get hit with during that...
not worth it in the little way...
most 17 yo's are far from virgins too... so it's not like the sex will be any better than if you went with a 25 year old... in fact - smart money is on it being better with than older woman...
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Bzzzzzt. Wrong. In my experience this is just not true unless the guy is inexperienced and needs some Mrs. Robinson style help.bukowski_merit said:..... - smart money is on it being better with than older woman...
bukowski_merit
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nonsense... and i'm not talking about old like that... i'm talking - older than her teens...bigjohnson said:Bzzzzzt. Wrong. In my experience this is just not true unless the guy is inexperienced and needs some Mrs. Robinson style help.
most girls i mess with are in the 22-28 range... and i can tell you they are much more in touch with their abilities in bed (such as their ability to have an orgasm). if you sit down and talk to them about sex... many will say "i started having sex when i was around [somewhere in the 13-16 range]." and if you probe further most of them will tell you something like "i didn't really learn how to really enjoy myself and gain pleasure from sex until i was [somewhere in the 21-25 range]."
i get off on another womans pleasure... the last thing i wanna do is stick my d!ck in some immature girl who's going to "act out" how she thinks sex should be...
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So you're a lesbian?bukowski_merit said:i get off on another womans pleasure...
The reason 18 yo girls have trouble enjoying it is that they are with 18 yo boys, it has nothing to do with them. If they just do as I ask they will have a great time.bukowski_merit said:.... some immature girl who's going to "act out" how she thinks ....
bukowski_merit
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Yes i'm a motha****in lesbian!bigjohnson said:So you're a lesbian?
I think most 18yo woman date and **** much older men... I still don't want to tell a girl what to do to get off and enjoy herself... she needs to know that going into it... i have a dominant sexual personality, but that doesn't mean i want to be a teacher...bigjohnson said:The reason 18 yo girls have trouble enjoying it is that they are with 18 yo boys, it has nothing to do with them. If they just do as I ask they will have a great time.
this guy is also talking about relationships... not sex... and a (possibly illegal) 17 year old, not an 18 year old.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.