"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Cringe Lunch or personal Social Experiment?

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The subject lady is the same company, but say different division, within the same office building.

Could you explain what the nature of your falling out was and how you ended up hating her?

I do not hate the subject lady and she's not behaving in a way that she's going out of her way to avoid physical proximity with me. Its just that there is no social contact (ie Quiet Place vibe?) with her. There has been no eye-contact or even looking at her. However, that is starting to be relaxed and she is now being observed (ie at least what she is doing - on smartphone, or whatever else she's doing if she's on a table by herself) in terms of a quick look. (ie she was quickly observed inside the elevator as opposed to outrightly looked away from the whole time). The last intentional "near" interaction with her was I saw three seats away from her in a cafeteria and looked at a couple of selected music videos (ie I guess drawing from whatever energy/feelings to enhance the experience of the music videos that were watched). There has not been any arrangement where there is three seats apart since that time (ie normally two seats or some other configeration).
This thread isn't the place to get into her exact comment. Let's just say I heard her make a comment about a hot button political topic (and the nature of her comment made me never want to speak to her again).

So I stopped speaking to her cold turkey. She didn't take it well.

My psychology 101 guess on her is: She never intended to give me any action, yet at least liked the attention from me. So she was upset when the attention went away.

Furthermore, she also ended up acting standoffish with this female coworker I have a close relationship with.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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This pretty much encapsulates what the entire f-cking Manosphere devolved into, after the first year of it's existence. Mostly guys who

-Have been married to the same broad for decades

-Prowled nightclubs and dive bars during their brief stints trying to be PUAs, ended up with nothing but garbage

Encouraging their fellow men to retreat from reality into overthought, while yearning for the return of a white washed view of The 1950s, where presumably they too could've had their own June Cleaver

Note the third post on that thread, and who wrote it
More like encourage you to stop making excuses and erecting self-imposed barriers for yourself that don't actually exist in reality but do in your own mind.

In life, you can either get results or make excuses. Never both. You can never get results while making excuses. It doesn't work like that.

You seem to prefer making excuses. I prefer getting results. I'm not ever going to be on board with excuse making, so if that's what you want here...someone to sympathize with you and enable you to continue making excuses for yourself, it won't be from me.

There is an old saying "Advice is seldom welcome and those who need it the most like it the least." that applies here.

And yeah...I realize things may be more challenging for you. So fvcking what? Challenge yourself then. It's the only way to ever improve at anything you do.

I didn't get to where I am physically by continuing to lift the same weight as when I first started lifting. I got there by continually pushing and challenging myself to get better, lift more, do more reps, take shorter rest periods, etc.

And you best believe it was hard fvcking work. Physically exhausting work. Sore for an entire week to the point I could barely move and by the time I recovered by my final off day, it was time to do it all over again.

But that's what made it so rewarding...I put the work in, I put the time in, I dealt with the pain and soreness and then I reaped the results from it. And I don't regret a single second of it and I'd do it all over again in a heartbeat if I had to.
 
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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The fact that any intearction with her continues to have this wierd vibe enough for a thread to get updated means something is off
I'm not being in the least bit flippant with the following observation, C: The only things off here are your thought process and, quite possibly, your neurological functioning. Describing your interpretation of everyday events as "irrational" would be a monumental understatement
 

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Describing your interpretation of everyday events as "irrational" would be a monumental understatement
I cant relate to the exact situation, but mentally i HAD been in a similar situation over the past year or so.

Id met a new group of friends and decided to practice my social game.

Problem was i didnt have enough experience to make accurate conclusions of what was actually happening, which made me see through a lense of my own bull**** assumptions.

I thought i was a smart-ass and had the entire group sussed out, turns out i was wrong on practically all of them!!

Lets say you see some type of behaviour and make an assumption about the person from it, dig further (directly or indirectly) until you can CONFIRM said assumption.

So, i understand where youre coming from when you have SOMETHING to say about every single time this woman does anything ever.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I was having a coaching session with my boss (who is a guy) yesterday. While we were talking to each other, I think this lady came in the room to get some water (I sensed her, but did not see her). However, she did not come back out and was talking to another guy there (not "envy-triggered"). Once the coaching session was over I left to go to the washroom. When I came out of the washroom, I saw her in an eye-shot of going back to her office area just before closing the door. We briefly had eye contact for like one second with each other as I went to my area and went into hers and closed the door.

Now, one might assume that she is now subconciously trying to avoid bumping into me after that elevatror encounter, but not in a way to make me feel bad to feel like she's really avoiding me. However, that brief eye contact was the first eye-contact with her in over a couple of months. That was a gratifying experience with me to have made eye-contact with her for that millisecond.

It's interesting this thread has become quite active coincidentally when she popped in my proxmity yesterday.

I have literally a draft work email that says "hi" to her that I made a few days ago. (ie we have not said hi to each other now in months). But I can't even really send that for now.
 

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Lets say you see some type of behaviour and make an assumption about the person from it, dig further (directly or indirectly) until you can CONFIRM said assumption
Exactly. This(Becoming aware of one's automatic thoughts, treating them like hypotheses to be tested for falsifiability)also happens to be the manner in which sound psychotherapy works. Sadly, we live in a world where most practicing shrinks are poorly trained, and DO NOT teach their clients to do likewise

 

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The thread has become a dumping ground for youtube videos. Time to move on boys...
 
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