Covid 19 Vaccine

[corrector]

This is just false. What source did you get this?

For the Delta variant, not the Alpha variant or original strain. I believe off hand the CDC or some studies taken in the UK, I'll get back on that.

 

[EyeBRollin]

For the Delta variant, not the Alpha variant or original strain. I believe off hand the CDC or some studies taken in the UK, I'll get back on that.

The CDC did NOT ever say the likelihood of contracting Delta is the same for vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

 

[Billtx49]

Psychologically what happens is once someone becomes convinced of something no matter what facts become available, they will not change their opinion because they will have to admit they are wrong and it will be a blow to their ego. So they will go to great lengths, even comical sometimes, to avoid having to admit they are wrong, even tho logically they know they are.

This is what 95% of the people against the vaccine/COVID facts are about.

Yep, we were just introduced to the Mercola novax cult leader. Sadly enough many adults believe (his) vitamins are better than vaccines hype and they are not having their children get routine vaccinations like a normal parent would.

NYTimes.com loves the guy, their headline on him from 7/26/21:
The Most Influential Spreader of Coronavirus Misinformation Online

How does he spread the misinformation you ask? His minions on Social media sites, possibly even on this Forum also…

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Yep, we were just introduced to the Mercola novax cult leader. Sadly enough many adults believe (his) vitamins are better than vaccines hype and they are not having their children get routine vaccinations like a normal parent would.

NYTimes.com loves the guy, their headline on him from 7/26/21:
The Most Influential Spreader of Coronavirus Misinformation Online

How does he spread the misinformation you ask? His minions on Social media sites, possibly even on this Forum also…

Don't get me wrong...I take vitamins as well and they definitely have their place in an overall health regiment. Especially D3, Magnesium and K2 to deal with the calcium issues plaguing the US, but let's be real...vitamins are not the answer to protection against pandemics. They may help, but they certainly aren't going to stop you from getting sick. And your immune response determines how sick you get from COVID not necessarily your healthiness which is something a lot of people can't get through their head. Plenty of people who are healthy with no issues have dealt with serious consequences from it.

 

[Billtx49]

but let's be real...vitamins are not the answer to protection against pandemics. They may help, but they certainly aren't going to stop you from getting sick.

Yes, very true

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Another Hard L for vaccine opponents:

Latest study shows vaccinations protect the lungs of patients against COVID. This agrees with other studies that have shown viral loads are contained in the nose/throat area and not allowed to spread to other areas of the body in vaccinated people.

"In vaccinated patients with "breakthrough" COVID-19 infections, the disease may not affect the lungs as much as in unvaccinated patients, new data from India suggest. Doctors there studied 205 adults with confirmed COVID-19, more than half under age 50. Among those studied, 14% were fully vaccinated, 15% were partially vaccinated, and the rest were unvaccinated. All had computed tomography (CT) scans of their lungs. Researchers scored each of the five lobes of each lung on a scale ranging from 0 for no virus involvement of the lobe, to 5, which meant more than 75% of the lobe was affected. Out of a possible 25, the average lung CT severity score was 0 in fully vaccinated patients, 4 in partially vaccinated patients, and 11 in the unvaccinated group, according to a report posted on medRxiv on Tuesday ahead of peer review."

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

Another Hard L for vaccine opponents:

Latest study shows vaccinations protect the lungs of patients against COVID. This agrees with other studies that have shown viral loads are contained in the nose/throat area and not allowed to spread to other areas of the body in vaccinated people.

"In vaccinated patients with "breakthrough" COVID-19 infections, the disease may not affect the lungs as much as in unvaccinated patients, new data from India suggest. Doctors there studied 205 adults with confirmed COVID-19, more than half under age 50. Among those studied, 14% were fully vaccinated, 15% were partially vaccinated, and the rest were unvaccinated. All had computed tomography (CT) scans of their lungs. Researchers scored each of the five lobes of each lung on a scale ranging from 0 for no virus involvement of the lobe, to 5, which meant more than 75% of the lobe was affected. Out of a possible 25, the average lung CT severity score was 0 in fully vaccinated patients, 4 in partially vaccinated patients, and 11 in the unvaccinated group, according to a report posted on medRxiv on Tuesday ahead of peer review."

They need to get to work on updated vaccines.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

You are completely mistaken about the nature of this vaccine. It is nothing like prior vaccines. It's really shocking how self-righteous the pro vaccine crowd is about following the science when they literally don't even understand the basic fundamentals of the vaccine they are pushing. I say that as someone that took the vaccine after the measured calculus but I would never say that it is totally safe for everyone.

This research and mRNA technology has been around for a long time, over 30 years...to insinuate that is suddenly just became known and used is disingenuous. I am not saying you are but a lot of other people seem to make that claim.

It just hasn't been used before. Like anything else, there is a potential for something to go wrong, but if you are dead what does that matter?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

With the 7-day average of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. currently at 350 and rising, public health experts are arguing that recent deaths were largely avoidable due to widespread availability of effective vaccines.

“For me as a physician, this is a national tragedy,” University of Alabama at Birmingham Associate Dean for Global Health Dr. Michael Saag said on Yahoo Finance Live (video above). “These deaths are largely preventable, and from a public health perspective, that’s inexcusable that we can be in this country and be experiencing this kind of problem.”


Pretty much sums up my thoughts exactly.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

With the 7-day average of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. currently at 350 and rising, public health experts are arguing that recent deaths were largely avoidable due to widespread availability of effective vaccines.

“For me as a physician, this is a national tragedy,” University of Alabama at Birmingham Associate Dean for Global Health Dr. Michael Saag said on Yahoo Finance Live (video above). “These deaths are largely preventable, and from a public health perspective, that’s inexcusable that we can be in this country and be experiencing this kind of problem.”


Pretty much sums up my thoughts exactly.

But but but...

Bill Gates! George Soros! Communism! Microchips!

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I'm saying that to implicate that this vaccine is somehow safe because traditional vaccines are safe is absolutely fallacious. Technology is night and day. I'm not making the crude argument that it's dangerous just because it's new. This vaccine is much more invasive because of what it actually does.

That's true, but this is the gateway to curing genetic defects and numerous other things via this technology...

 

[zekko]

It's really shocking how self-righteous the pro vaccine crowd is about following the science when they literally don't even understand the basic fundamentals of the vaccine they are pushing

Plenty of self-righteousness on both sides. If I had a dollar for every time I've heard or read something like "Anyone who takes the vaccine is a sheep" or "Anyone who takes the vaccine is as dumb as a stone", I'd be able to take a nice vacation. Yes, this vaccine works differently than traditional vaccines, but that doesn't automatically make it a bad thing.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

If there's any good news about this Delta variant, it's that it already went through India and the UK.... and it basically was real bad for about 2 months before cases went down.

Maybe because of vaccinations? Maybe herd immunity? Maybe social distancing measures? Maybe a combination of all 3.

 

[RickTheToad]

Strawman #1.



Strawman #2.



Lets re-iterate:


This is wrong. Mask are better protection than no mask. The quality of mask filtration varies by type but all masks are an improvement over no mask. The data on this is conclusive.

You go girl with your bad self.

 

[RickTheToad]

Im not talking about MMR. I’ve had tetanus shots about 3 times

Well, one is supposed to get a tetanus shot after certain infections, lesions and bites. The tetanus shot, since it covers a variety of different causes usually requires 3 doses for complete immunity. Additionally, a tetanus infection is due to a bacteria, not a virus. Completely different animal dude.

 

[corrector]

I'm against the vac too. This is not really a vaccine in the traditional sense as the anti-bodies disappear in approx. 3 - 6 months (hence a booster is needed), you still get the virus and can still spread the virus; which is not what vaccine should do. One takes a vaccine such as MMR, they are now immune to MMR. This is not the case with COVID. If it makes a person feel better to take it, sure take it, but it's no where near guaranteed effective. In addition, for some, the long lasting side effects can be worse than the virus the vaccine in terms to protect you from. Lastly, these vaccines were made in haste in a matter of months. No peer review and questionable results.

I'm tested near daily before entering the ER. 16 months +, no infection. Stop listening to hype and the media. Start listening to scientists and facts. Up your vitamin D 5000MG and Zinc 30MG 2 along with 1000MG of Vitamin C and you should be in decent shape. However, this is what I do and is NOT construed in any way, shape or form as medical advice.

You work in the hospital right? Someone like you should know first hand the extent of side effects from the jab. Are you spooked off the jab based on what you are seeing in your clinic?

 

[Black Widow Void]

1. "it's just for two weeks to flatten the curve."
You believed them.
2. "Everyone wear a mask."
You complied.
3. "Get a vaccine and then you won't catch it. "
You got the vaccine.
4. "No, that's the Delta virus. You're still safe from covid-19 if you are vaccinated.
You still believe them.
5. "oh okay, you can still catch covid-19, but you won't get as sick."
You continue to believe them.
6. Forget what we said about going maskless once vaccined. Wear a mask anyway.
You will comply.

They will continue moving the goalpost as long as you continue to obey.

 

[zekko]

1. "it's just for two weeks to flatten the curve."
You believed them.
2. "Everyone wear a mask."
You complied.
3. "Get a vaccine and then you won't catch it. "
You got the vaccine.
4. "No, that's the Delta virus. You're still safe from covid-19 if you are vaccinated.
You still believe them.
5. "oh okay, you can still catch covid-19, but you won't get as sick."
You continue to believe them.
6. Forget what we said about going maskless once vaccined. Wear a mask anyway.
You will comply.

They will continue moving the goalpost as long as you continue to obey.

You make several good points and I agree with them to a point. I think we should have erred on the side of freedom instead of safety. That way of thinking seems to be becoming more and more obsolete, and may well be gone in a generation or two. And I believe we should have focused more on the elderly and others who were more vulnerable rather than shutting everything down. However, I do not believe Covid is a hoax (misrepresented, sure), and I am an advocate of vaccines, so I got this one. And I do not appreciate being compared to a tagged cow.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

You make several good points and I agree with them to a point. I think we should have erred on the side of freedom instead of safety. That way of thinking seems to be becoming more and more obsolete, and may well be gone in a generation or two. And I believe we should have focused more on the elderly and others who were more vulnerable rather than shutting everything down. However, I do not believe Covid is a hoax (misrepresented, sure), and I am an advocate of vaccines, so I got this one. And I do not appreciate being compared to a tagged cow.

There is no more "more vulnerable". Everybody is vulnerable now with Delta. That silliness was over long ago. Thinking you are young and healthy and have nothing to worry about is the epitome of arrogance at this point and is not backed by any real world data.

96% of people in Florida's record hospitalization surge are unvaccinated...but yeah...the vaccine doesn't work right? That percentage or higher is pretty much standard in every area of the country right now that is having huge surges in cases...with doctors repeatedly talking about people begging for the vaccine as their final words before being intubated.

Smart people learn from other's mistakes. Seems like there are a lot of people who are bound and determined to make the same mistakes in some asinine "rally cry" about freedom.

Newsflash. Your personal freedoms are not guaranteed during national emergencies let alone global ones. Never have been and never will be. Just ask the American citizens of Japanese descent during WW II or the alleged "communists" during the Cold War. Individual freedoms do not and never will take precedent over the safety of a population group as a whole, nor should anybody in their right mind expect them to.

If you cannot understand that basic point then I am not sure what else to say to you.

Half of Florida COVID-19 hospitalizations under 55; 96% unvaccinated

The number of people hospitalized in Florida because of COVID-19 continued at a record pace Monday, and half of them were ages 25-55.

www.fox13news.com

 

[BackInTheGame78]

You believed them.

You think the Government are like an all knowing God and they know the future. They don’t. That was their on the hoof policy. A bit like the First World War they said “it will be all over by Christmas. That’s what they believed or hoped. It is in no way “proof” of a pre planned strategy, unless you believe the government have been behind the pandemic, which you have zero evidence for and merely circumstantial evidence which can easily be explained, as I’ve just done so above.

2. "Everyone wear a mask."
You complied.

Masks do not stop you getting covid. Masks don’t fully stop others getting Covid.
masks stop massive amounts of airborne particles from diffusing due to projectile sneezing and coughing, often experienced with a new infection. This has been put in place because out of millions of people, some will not give a tom tit about having symptoms and it’s a crude measure to stop them spreading. Nobody ever said it was a panacea. It has limited effectiveness.

3. "Get a vaccine and then you won't catch it. "
You got the vaccine.

nobody said that, I can’t ever remember seeing that anywhere. That’s what you’ve wanted to hear. Vaccines stop you getting hospitalised and putting pressure on ICU. I don’t know how many times I need to explain this but here goes: a very small amount of people need help to breathe or they will die. Most of these people are old or infirm. However, as this virus spreads rapidly, the scale of infectious means we don’t have enough doctors or beds to cope. Then you end up with people lying around in corridors of hospitals drowning in their own sputum and unable to breathe. This could be magnified due to the numbers involved so that could be 300 people in your local hospital dead on the floor. Imagine how that would float with voters.

4. "No, that's the Delta virus. You're still safe from covid-19 if you are vaccinated.
You still believe them.

Again, nobody ever said that, at least, that was not the official narrative.

5. "oh okay, you can still catch covid-19, but you won't get as sick."
You continue to believe them.

Statistically proven. You may think the stats are bogus. If so, please provide your own
6. Forget what we said about going maskless once vaccined. Wear a mask anyway.
You will comply.

I don’t know where you are but I haven’t needed to socially isolated or wear a mask for a good while. If cases rise, back it comes. Again, they don’t have a crystal ball.

Most of your post are just making the same 2 points about masks and vaccines.

as for “you will comply”, it’s not compulsory here, it’s voluntary.

Now, this has been pounced upon by a lot of people - businesses included, to their advantage.

The virus is real, the potential overloading of ICU is real, the vaccines are an attempt to mitigate that.

otherwise you’re essentially saying the same thing as David Icke who also thinks Masonic lizards control the world

People also fail to realize how many other people needlessly died from things like cancer, heart issues or even not being able to get surgeries that were deemed elective but actually were important to have done due to COVID overwhelming hospitals for months at a time.

Forget the COVID deaths for a minute, the number of people who died because they couldn't receive treatment due to COVID patients taking up the majority of the hospitals beds and focus is pretty huge as well.

COVID has had a significantly negative cascading effect on every other health problem needing treatment.