Covid 19 Vaccine

[Guy69JackBlue]

Let them die out.

Yet 90% of the people in the hospital are not vaccinated. Seems like you're thinking backwards about who's dying out.

 

[RickTheToad]

Polio, smallpox, the annual flu season, and maybe now Covid... All of these things would be much worse without vaccines or annual shots. Perhaps they will need to start doing an annual Covid shot (maybe mixed in with your flu shot.) That's fine by me.

And I didn't care about the people refusing to get vaccinated until recently when cases started going up again. But now their poor choices are becoming my problem.

TBH, no one really knows what the true levels of vaccinations and reports are. There is no central database to report all of this. Most of the info is just media BS pushed by the administration. I go the flu vaccine once, and then is when I actually got the flu a few months later. Nothing is a 100%, and most flu vaccines are around 30% - 40% since the virus mutates several times a year. Hence, the flu vaccine isn't really a vaccine, it's a bandaid and hopes on the possibility that particular variant is the correct one in the vaccine. This may be the similar situation with COVID-19 and it's variants. As long as a person is healthy, exercises and takes the right amount of supplements (Vit. D, C, Zinc), one's chances are lower for an outbreak and even lower for hospitalization.

If the vaccine was fully effective such as 84% or higher, we wouldn't need to mask up again. The masks themselves are ridiculous. Unless a person is wearing a N95, N100, P100 or KN95 mask, they are not protected. These blue masks many are wearing because it's harder to breathe through the real masks provide very little protection. Even less protection when they wear the mask around their neck or only their mouth where I see most people wearing. If you are going to mask up, great. Wear a proper mask and make sure it seals around the mouth and bridge of the nose. I do prefer the KN95, as they are more comfortable, but I also wear the N95 usually in the ER and clinic for obvious reasons.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

Half of Florida COVID-19 hospitalizations under 55; 96% unvaccinated

The number of people hospitalized in Florida because of COVID-19 continued at a record pace Monday, and half of them were ages 25-55.

www.google.com

I suppose this is more "fake news" right?

 

[EyeBRollin]

If the vaccine was fully effective such as 84% or higher, we wouldn't need to mask up again. The masks themselves are ridiculous. Unless a person is wearing a N95, N100, P100 or KN95 mask, they are not protected.

This is flat out wrong. All masks provide some protection in varying degrees. A surgical mask may be less protective than an N95 but is better filtration than your naked face. Even bandanas offer a marginal degree of particle blockage vs. not wearing one.

 

[mjb3617]

Polio, smallpox, the annual flu season, and maybe now Covid... All of these things would be much worse without vaccines or annual shots. Perhaps they will need to start doing an annual Covid shot (maybe mixed in with your flu shot.) That's fine by me.

And I didn't care about the people refusing to get vaccinated until recently when cases started going up again. But now their poor choices are becoming my problem.

Youve been convinced that people exercising their free will has somehow become your problem.

Lots of people don't get the flu shot every year and that is deadly to certain population groups just like covid.

Covid will be just like the flu. It's here to stay and we will have to live with it. But, forcing "vaccines" and masks and restricting what vaccinated/unvaccinated people can and cannot do is not logical.

Considering the amount of hypocrisy and flip flopping I've seen from elected and health officials across the board, I cannot take them seriously on the vaccine or any of their mandates.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

All false information. Please do some research for yourself.

People who got the vax and people who didnt are still getting Covid and the Delta Variant. Still getting both.

Major side effects including blood clotting, severe respiratory issues, etc etc and who knows of the long term effects from those side effects.

Why in the hell would someone get the vaccine, risk the side effects, if you are still a high % chance to get the original strain again or still get the variant?

If your vaccine works, why are you worried about everyone else? Because yours doesnt work, neither do the masks. I dont understand why someone would want to put that vax in their body (not FDA approved either btw) when you can still and probably will get the virus again.

When the state and federal government have to give away incentives ($1 million dollar lottery drawings, cheeseburgers, donuts, etc) to persuade people to take it, something doesnt add up.

Add to that all of the democratic want to be dictators who dont wear masks, dont socially distance and do whatever they please........it doesnt add up. I am smart enough to realize the mouse doesnt get the cheese for free and the "Do as I say not as I do" is alarming.

There were more gunshot deaths in Washington DC than Covid deaths in July 2021. Fact.

Covid in 2020 and also so far in 2021 is the 7th leading killer in the US. Fact.

If the government was so concerned about your health, they would make cancer treatments, insulin and heart issue treatments free to the people that needed them too....all of which kill more people than Covid.

Now its reported that the number of covid deaths since March 2020 was majorly inflated by as much as 80% because the hospitals and health professionals were making more money by labeling hospitalizations, treatment and deaths as covid, instead of the terminally underlying disease the people had to begin with.

When you offer doctors, hospitals and health professionals more money (fact) to deal with "covid", they are going to skew the results to make more money.

Also reported that the majority of the covid testing in 2020 and 2021 could not differentiate between covid and influenza shows why the flu disappeared. Fact.

No thanks. Its a no for me dawg.

People who are vax'd are getting COVID but almost none are having to be hospitalized or dying. And that's the whole point. 99.8% of people in hospitals due to COVID are unvaccinated. Your choice...mild illness or potential for a lot worse.

 

[RickTheToad]

This is flat out wrong. All masks provide some protection in varying degrees. A surgical mask may be less protective than an N95 but is better filtration than your naked face. Even bandanas offer a marginal degree of particle blockage vs. not wearing one.

Okay you're right, I'm wrong. Wearing a mask around your chin and exposing one's nose is safe. Or, with the blue mask with the gaping holes on both or all sides popping open is safe and effective. Thank you for correcting my thought process. My medical training in PA school, within the air force and EMS was no where as effective as your logic.

Just to be clear, I am disagreeing with you 1 zillion %; and I'm in the field nearly every day.

 

[RickTheToad]

This is exactly what I did after reading about covid in the beginning. Just got over covid a few weeks ago. I’ve have worse colds. Those three vitamins will do wonders. Of course the health care professionals that I read who said that were bashed to hell and back. This was before a trip to Singapore I was going to make.

Yea, one shouldn't be surprised. These supplements are cheap and cannot be patented. The vaccine drug makers are raking in billions over the pandemic. Just go long any health mutual fund and you'll be GTG in terms of profits as an investor.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Youve been convinced that people exercising their free will has somehow become your problem.

Anti-Vaxers keep the virus spreading is my problem.

Covid will be just like the flu. It's here to stay and we will have to live with it. But, forcing "vaccines" and masks and restricting what vaccinated/unvaccinated people can and cannot do is not logical.

Considering the amount of hypocrisy and flip flopping I've seen from elected and health officials across the board, I cannot take them seriously on the vaccine or any of their mandates.

Enjoy Covid-19.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

Youve been convinced that people exercising their free will has somehow become your problem.

Lots of people don't get the flu shot every year and that is deadly to certain population groups just like covid.

Covid will be just like the flu. It's here to stay and we will have to live with it. But, forcing "vaccines" and masks and restricting what vaccinated/unvaccinated people can and cannot do is not logical.

Considering the amount of hypocrisy and flip flopping I've seen from elected and health officials across the board, I cannot take them seriously on the vaccine or any of their mandates.

Convinced by my own functioning 2 eyes and a brain.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Okay you're right, I'm wrong. Wearing a mask around your chin and exposing one's nose is safe.

Strawman #1.

Or, with the blue mask with the gaping holes on both or all sides popping open is safe and effective.

Strawman #2.

Thank you for correcting my thought process. My medical training in PA school, within the air force and EMS was no where as effective as your logic.

Just to be clear, I am disagreeing with you 1 zillion %; and I'm in the field nearly every day.

Lets re-iterate:

Unless a person is wearing a N95, N100, P100 or KN95 mask, they are not protected.

This is wrong. Mask are better protection than no mask. The quality of mask filtration varies by type but all masks are an improvement over no mask. The data on this is conclusive.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

 

[stovepipe]

Here is an example today of how the next variate could be Communism. Modern day booking, burying the truth, changing history,stealing your rights & freedoms while mocking you into wearing masks, to muzzle your voice like the animal they think we are.

Notice how many of these kinds of threads get posted, deleted, rinse and repeated? How extremely repetitive the content is? The same info gets regurgitated over and over again. A tiny group trying to warn a massive group a pack of wolves is coming for them.

Look at us, constantly going back and forth over who's right or wrong is what they want us doing. We are at war with ourselves through the division they (purposefully & obviously) created from each and every sinister agenda. When we should be coming together as one to fight the serpent. Instead we failed over and over we fail these chit tests they give us. The battle between good n evil will presume.

Real eyes realize real lies

I’ll look at it by looking at it in context of the R rate of the virus.

could you give examples of virologists who are “spreading the truth”

Presumably you think that the entire Oxford university staff are paid shills? And also every other virologist in every other large academic centre? They’re all in on it ?

I hate to break this to you, but outside of the very small amount of time since the 20th century, the entirety of human history was a non stop battle against infectious disease. 50% of your offspring would often die before they reached maturity. Things like infected teeth killed you at 40. Even in the 50s we had polio epidemic. Unfortunately we have all forgotten this and we think a pandemic is unusual, it isn’t. We have lived in gilded luxury insulated by sanitation and medicine our ancestors could have dreamed of.

the reason they have spoken about this for years is because pandemics happen. The last serious one was 100 years ago and it killed 50 million. Do you think “they” are stupid and don’t see that coming? They indeed did know it was coming.

Now, the source of the virus is still up for debate. I am not convinced it was natural, it may well have been a leak from the Wuhan lab. However, I have no way of knowing this. It still doesn’t change the fact that pandemics are not unusual. This has the classic characteristic of a pandemic. High latency and low death rate.

the comments about the vaccine and it’s side effects are well known.

I think you’re far too fearful. I used to buy all this conspiracy BS.

They have said a lot of stuff about organisations I am involved in which simply are total horse shyt . Hence I don’t believe any of it anymore.

I've posted a plethera of videos & articles. You're welcome to use the search function. It's not a matter of believing. It's about being conscious of the world around you and knowing how to navigate through it. I focus on what's in my reality, what's happening around me, with the people I know.

That's a whole other thread exposing the corruption in our colleges. I've shared some of it in past threads.
Anyone can get the results they want for the right price. If they decline, you go plan B, blackmail.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

Here is an example today of how the next variate could be Communism. Modern day booking, burying the truth, changing history,stealing your rights & freedoms while mocking you into wearing masks, to muzzle your voice like the animal they think we are. He has a best seller 5 star on the Zon for his book "the truth about Rona".

Notice how many of these kinds of threads get posted, deleted, rinse and repeated? How extremely repetitive the content is? The same info gets regurgitated over and over again. A tiny group trying to warn a massive group a pack of wolves is coming for them.

Look at us, constantly going back and forth over who's right or wrong is what they want us doing. We are at war with ourselves through the division they (purposefully & obviously) created from each and every sinister agenda. When we should be coming together as one to fight the serpent. Instead we failed over and over we fail these chit tests they give us. The battle between good n evil will presume.

Real eyes realize real lies








I've posted a plethera of videos & articles. You're welcome to use the search function. It's not a matter of believing. It's about being conscious of the world around you and knowing how to navigate through it. I focus on what's in my reality, what's happening around me, with the people I know.

That's a whole other thread exposing the corruption in our colleges. I've shared some of it in past threads.
Anyone can get the results they want for the right price. If they decline, you go plan B, blackmail.

Your reality is an imaginary fantasy land.

 

[Billtx49]

It will get deleted or the thread shut down. I don’t watch the news. Ever. And I most definitely don’t have social media. It poisons the mind.

From Wikipedia:
Joseph Michael Mercola (/mərˈkoʊlə/;[1] born July 8, 1954) is an American alternative medicine proponent, osteopathic physician, and Internet business person. He markets dietary supplements and medical devices,[2]some of which are controversial. On his website, Mercola and colleagues advocate a number of unproven alternative health notions including homeopathy and opposition to vaccination. These positions have faced persistent criticism.

Try to provide qualified medical professionals, not a snake oil and diet pill salesman…
This thread is a conversation about a serious health issue, try to treat it that way.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

From Wikipedia:
Joseph Michael Mercola (/mərˈkoʊlə/;[1] born July 8, 1954) is an American alternative medicine proponent, osteopathic physician, and Internet business person. He markets dietary supplements and medical devices,[2]some of which are controversial. On his website, Mercola and colleagues advocate a number of unproven alternative health notions including homeopathy and opposition to vaccination. These positions have faced persistent criticism.

Try to provide qualified medical professionals, not a snake oil and diet pill salesman…
This thread is a conversation about a serious health issue, try to treat it that way.

Even if you prove them wrong, they won't admit or are just blind to it.

They are a huge liability on public health and somehow think they're some heroes. Fvcking ridiculous.

 

[corrector]

so tell me, who use these masks? no one, people use the surgical or the most common just some cloth to pass the "laws" to force the mask use, its not disinformation, is knowing how the public and people in general work, but your ignorance in taking more then one angle to state your point, you belive people would buy these masks, but chances are no one would do save for those who was forced or have money and are that fearfull.

most people don't use these and also the same people who don't use these are the ones who use mass transportation, funny no?

I don't know, I might see the odd person out there who has those masks on, and I certainly wear them as well as my father. But it goes back to my stance on my own vaccine hesitancy....why should I take a vaccine if I have a bunch of N95 masks, or if I get the vaccine and get infected (even though there is no serious illness on my end), I could potentially infect my mother since even the health authorities will say that there is not much of a difference between unvaccinated and vaccinated spreading infection to others. If my mom refused to get vaccinated because her strong religious beliefs against it, then I'm not helping my mother by getting vaccinated myself as I can still pass this thing on to her. This is not even looking at side-effects.

Again I'm probably preaching to your choir with my "why should I really get a vaccine and take a side-effect risk?", but as long as I can afford to keep buying N95 masks, I won't see the point of vaccination because it contributes to the idea that I can do something to reduce the risk of catching the virus in the first place AND not worry about side-effects. But I'm still honoring the science and not subscribing to conspiracy theories about the virus itself. Unfortunately, I have allowed conspiracy theorist and my mother to dampen my resolve to get vaccinated, and I have to work myself up to eventually get vaccinated.

 

[EyeBRollin]

there is not much of a difference between unvaccinated and vaccinated spreading infection to others.

This is just false. What source did you get this?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Even if you prove them wrong, they won't admit or are just blind to it.

They are a huge liability on public health and somehow think they're some heroes. Fvcking ridiculous.

Psychologically what happens is once someone becomes convinced of something no matter what facts become available, they will not change their opinion because they will have to admit they are wrong and it will be a blow to their ego. So they will go to great lengths, even comical sometimes, to avoid having to admit they are wrong, even tho logically they know they are.

This is what 95% of the people against the vaccine/COVID facts are about.

 

[corrector]

I'll have to disagree with your assessment that my opinion is anti-social. My stance on not wearing a mask is not anti-social since the "science" behind wearing a mask has been contradicted numerous times.

There have been several instances where the flip flopping on masks is comical. Take Dr. Fauci for example. He's supposed to be the leading "authority" on the "science" of wearing masks, yet he has changed his position on it numerous times.

Then take a look at the so called "red-states" where masks weren't required. They had a lot less cases than other states where there were more mask mandates, restrictions, and lockdown measures present.

My opinion is based on these facts. Also, I live in a US state where there has been a huge push to have everyone vaccinated and guess what? They're claiming there's a "high" transmission of covid currently. They're definition of "high" transmission? Over 100 cases per week. You could reasonably assume that high transmission would be defined as thousands of people being infected per week. That's not the case however.

First, it was we need masks until we get the vaccine. The vaccine arrived and the vaccinated no longer needed masks. Then, they said the unvaccinated need to wear masks to protect the vaccinated? Now, you need the vaccine and the masks?

Like another poster said, they keep moving the goal posts. I'll keep my anti-social opinion and still stand firm on it. Covid is going to be around for awhile and we are going to have to learn to live with it. But giving in to the hysteria that's been created is only going to disrupt our lives. We've already seen what the lockdowns did. Never in the history of mankind have we quarantined HEALTHY people like that.

I'll have to disagree with your assessment that my opinion is anti-social. My stance on not wearing a mask is not anti-social since the "science" behind wearing a mask has been contradicted numerous times.

There have been several instances where the flip flopping on masks is comical. Take Dr. Fauci for example. He's supposed to be the leading "authority" on the "science" of wearing masks, yet he has changed his position on it numerous times.

Then take a look at the so called "red-states" where masks weren't required. They had a lot less cases than other states where there were more mask mandates, restrictions, and lockdown measures present.

My opinion is based on these facts. Also, I live in a US state where there has been a huge push to have everyone vaccinated and guess what? They're claiming there's a "high" transmission of covid currently. They're definition of "high" transmission? Over 100 cases per week. You could reasonably assume that high transmission would be defined as thousands of people being infected per week. That's not the case however.

First, it was we need masks until we get the vaccine. The vaccine arrived and the vaccinated no longer needed masks. Then, they said the unvaccinated need to wear masks to protect the vaccinated? Now, you need the vaccine and the masks?

Like another poster said, they keep moving the goal posts. I'll keep my anti-social opinion and still stand firm on it. Covid is going to be around for awhile and we are going to have to learn to live with it. But giving in to the hysteria that's been created is only going to disrupt our lives. We've already seen what the lockdowns did. Never in the history of mankind have we quarantined HEALTHY people like that.

As @Alvafe pointed out, we have a fundamental disagreement on the definition of masks. I'm referring to N95 masks, not surgical masks.

Assuming that nuance doesn't make a difference and you are going from a government-legal angle, Your State has low transmission (even if they say its high) so it's doing well after getting people vaccinated. You live in a Blue-State? The masks are not to protect the vaccinated, it's to protect the unvaccinated. So long as you have unvaccinated mixing with vaccinated, they have to keep the mask mandates on. I never heard its to protect the vaccinated, and if everyone was vaccinated (ie you had vaccine passports to enter malls and indoor spaces), then they will remove the mask-mandate since everyone is vaccinated. However, if they do that, then you'll complain its a violation of your civil rights that you have to show a passport or you have to put a mask on? I guess rather than doing that its easier just to have everyone wear a mask rather than show a passport to see who has to wear a mask and who doesn't, right?

When I say anti-social, it means, if enough people think like you then it results in health-systems being overwhelmed, Some degree of communal mind-set is needed in order to ensure that anyone who needs to use the hospital isn't turned away because they are out of capacity. Would it be fair for me to say that if you ever got infected from covid and need to use the hospital, then please don't call 911 and just deal with it at home because of your selfish mind-set? Or, if anyone got sick from covid because you spread it to them that you will be liable for their hospital bills? Would you take ownership of that? Then your are justly entitled to your mind-set if that's the case because you are aware of the impact of your mind-set and choices with other people apart from yourself and take ownership of it. But can you really own that?